(09-27-2021, 11:40 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: The only things I'm pretty sure I've seen LIVE (as in unfiltered) is the Challenger exploding and the events on 9/11. In my lifetime these are the only two events that happened completely without warning and could not be influenced by the media or politicians. The aftermath of both events are a different story, but the actual events were 100% live and raw and awful.

If you want to see LIVE tv go on youtube and look up the news videos as 9/11 happened. There is nothing but shock, dismay and horror in the voices of the likes of Katie Couric, Matt Lauer, Tom Brokaw, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, etc. That's the most real I've ever heard any of them speak. No one was able to spin anything because the horror and reality of it was unprecedented. 

Jan 6 was a set up. The right wingers who led the charge were more interested in being on video and social media and making a show of things than they were of actually making their point. No one who is serious or wants to be taken seriously dresses up like it's Halloween and acts like characters out of a Rob Zombie film.

Bypassing metal detectors to reach the chambers of Congress during the only session of Congress explicitly required by the Constitution is 
Serious.
All of those who did so were serious.

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(09-27-2021, 12:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(09-27-2021, 11:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: Live TV can be filtered, yes, but not to the extent that it would change the main idea of what happened.
Thousands of people tried to use violence to disrupt an orderly and very important session of Congress.  Some of them were planning to kidnap and even execute some members.  Almost all of them were Trump supporters, and Trump personally encouraged them, in a televised speech, to do exactly what they did.
Own it.
If you supported Trump before January 6, fine.
If you still support Trump after January 6, you are in opposition to the constitution, just like him.

Lol, you aren't even trying anymore. It was so much more fun when you were playing the naïve questioner who just wanted to understand others' point of view. It was as much a ruse then as now, but this new persona as the reinforcer of official government press releases is much less fun.

Back when I only had a hunch of what Trump was, it made more sense to ask questions and try to learn what his supporters saw in the man.
On Jan 6, he proved my hunches right.  There is nothing else worth learning about the man or his supporters.  

Now, if you won't be honest with yourself about Trump, at least be honest with yourself about me.  You didn't enjoy the old persona either.

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