(10-18-2021, 06:38 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:

(10-18-2021, 05:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: There are always trades to be had. We just make it abundantly clear to all 31 other teams, before the draft, that we are willing to listen to any and all offers. Personally, I could give a crap less about the NFL's trade value chart. If I don't see any single player worth staying at the pick I'm in, (which if the Bills win tonight, we'd be #2), then I'm trading out of that selection to the highest bidder, no matter if the NFL trade value chart says it's a good deal or not. If I see players of equal or better value later in the draft and I can add extra picks by trading down, it would be dumb to stay where I'm at and take a player that I don't believe in 100%. 

I'll give an example. In 2017 we had the #4 pick. I desperately wanted to trade down. I don't believe in ever taking a RB in round 1. A RB is only as good as his O-Line is at blocking. I saw absolutely no value what so ever at taking a RB with the #4 pick, especially given the state of the O-Line. The player I targeted was Ryan Ramczyk who was supposed to be selected much later in the first round. He ended up being taken #32 overall by the Saints. Conventional wisdom says if you trade down in round 1, you don't wanna trade down any further than a certain point in that round, but I say that's stupid. If I don't see any elite players in that draft, (which at the time I didn't) then who cares how far I trade down? By not allowing ourselves to trade down that far, we missed a great opportunity. We ended up selecting Fournette, who did nothing and Ramczyk ended up being a 3 time All-Pro NFL OT. 

Personally, I see Thibodeaux as the only elite, sure-fire player currently in this draft. If he's gone, I'd rather have multiple picks where I can draft several really good players, rather than to stay put and take one very good player that is of equal value to what I could find later in the draft. You try to get the best deal you can before the draft, but if the deals aren't coming, you wait until right before the draft and you make it abundantly clear that you have no parameters to any offer that is made. You're willing to consider any offer. If you do this, you will have other teams, (especially the QB needy teams) that will make offers. It may not be giant deals of the past where you get a kings ransom, but who cares? If the value isn't there for you, take the best offer. 

I also would not be opposed to flipping that pick for a veteran OT. For instance if there is the possibility that we could use the #2, #3 pick or whatever we end up with as part of a deal to land a young, gifted OT like Laremy Tunsil, I'd do that in a heartbeat. This team needs an influx of talent at multiple positions. I'm not gonna put any constraints on how we are able to improve this team. It just has to get done one way or another. I'm open to anything.

Hindsight 20/20. What if you would of traded down to say 20 and Ramczyk goes a couple picks before who do you then take?  You might want to re look at your scouting department if they have that many players with the same grade.  If we give up a top 3 pick for Tunsil who will be 28 next season, the contract, injury history, and also who's play has declined a bit Urb should be fired on the spot especially when we have Little waiting in the wings.  I'd rather tag Cam one more year than give up a top 3 pick

Looking back on my 2017 draft list, if Ramczyk wasn't there, I would have chosen CB Tre'Davious White. He was the next guy up on my list that was left on the board at that time.

Not necessarily. It depends. Some drafts are better than others. Last year was a draft with much more elite players at the top end. They stood head and shoulders above the rest. This year, there just isn't those type of players, IMO. There's just one guy. Some draft classes are just better than others and you grade accordingly. It varies from year to year. Most scouts realize this.

Tunsil is still one of the best, young Tackles in the NFL. Yes, he has been beat around lately, but look at the team he is on. He's the one good piece in that offense. He's getting no help, so no wonder he gets injured. Given that Robinson is an UFA, Taylor just flat out sucks and I have no faith in Little, I'd definitely trade for Tunsil. Little has shown me nothing that proves he can be a franchise LT. I hope he does turn into one, but if he can't even supplant Taylor at RT (when Taylor has such a low bar), why should I believe he could be trusted holding down the LT spot? I'd rather flip the pick for a proven commodity. Ideally, we wouldn't have to though. In an ideal world, we would sign Terron Armstead in free agency, but given our current status, I find it almost impossible to believe that any premier UFA would wanna come here. As for Cam Robinson, there is absolutely no scenario where I would re-sign him, ever.

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