(11-03-2021, 01:10 PM)Doc Holliday904 Wrote:

(11-03-2021, 07:25 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Thanks for the kind words.

As for Ramsey, we'll vehemently disagree on that.

As you know, I've never had much use for Vic Ketchman.  But one of my favorite quotes from him was "Football is not a game for the well adjusted."  Over the course of a year, there is going to be conflict between a group of 53 players and maybe a dozen or more coaches, plus management/ownership.  It's inevitable.   You say Ramsey is this contemptible human being, but what has he done that was SOOO bad?  He had the child out of wedlock with the sister of the Giants' (?) WR and then dumped her.  He had the thing after the Ngakoue and Fowler fight where he acosted the media.  He had the interview with GQ where he trashed several opposing QBs.  He had the training camp arrival with the Brinks truck, supposedly had some not flattering things to say about Calais Campbell, the thing in Houston, and when that escalated further, he quit on the team to force a trade.  None of that is ideal behavior, to be sure.  But how has that translated into disaster for the Rams?  Have the Rams not been a winning team since his arrival?  Hasn't he agreed to a long term deal with them since he arrived?  Has there been any serious locker room turmoil surrounding him?  Have there been any violations of the league's personal conduct or substance abuse policies by him leading to suspensions?  Have there been any arrests?  In an ideal world, we'd love for all players to be boy scouts in terms of behavior, attitude, etc.  But where is the link between whatever undesirable/dysfunctional character traits Ramsey may have and negative team performance/outcomes with the Rams?  Conversely, Henderson and Campbell haven't displayed the things Ramsey did from a character standpoint, yet neither has contributed anywhere near as positive results in their combined short tenures here as Ramsey did in his first two years here.  I would suggest that his football skills far outweigh whatever character flaws he may have or you may find distasteful.  The Rams obviously agree, because they signed him to a long term deal, he continues to start for them, is one of the best defensive players in the league and starring on a Rams defense with stars on each level of the defense.  He's probably the second best player on the team behind Aaron Donald, and he isn't that far behind.

Turd in the punchbowl?

Somehow I don't think the Rams would agree with your assessment given their actions on and off the field surrounding him.

But let's say Ramsey is every bit the lousy human being you say, and his flaws outweigh what he provides on the field.  That can't possibly be true for every player we've jettisoned during that time, can it?

What did Ngakoue do that was so bad?  Fought a teammate?  Get in contentious contract negotiations with the team?

Fournette?  Miss team photos, and have the meltdown in Buffalo?

This team, this town, this fanbase is too quick to label guys as pariahs and push to get rid of them.

Charlie Casserly observed that first round picks have maybe a 50% chance of becoming a solid starter for the team that drafted them, and the odds go down considerably per round.  We had a string of players between 2016 and 2020 to actually beat those odds and not just become quality starters but Pro bowl or better caliber players, and we got rid of them all before they ever got their second contracts with the team.  They all were painted as malcontents, etc., and they all went on to produce for subsequent teams who have all been far more successful than we have been.

This has GOT to stop!

The Ramsey situation was handled terribly by the previous regime. He should of had a contract long ago making it hard to even move him. During Ramsey's tenure here he was very immature but a strong front office and head coach would have handled that easily. We had neither. Same goes for all the other headcases Fournette and Ngakoue.

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