(11-03-2021, 07:25 AM)Bullseye Wrote: As you know, I've never had much use for Vic Ketchman.  But one of my favorite quotes from him was "Football is not a game for the well adjusted."  Over the course of a year, there is going to be conflict between a group of 53 players and maybe a dozen or more coaches, plus management/ownership.  It's inevitable.   You say Ramsey is this contemptible human being, but what has he done that was SOOO bad?  He had the child out of wedlock with the sister of the Giants' (?) WR and then dumped her.  He had the thing after the Ngakoue and Fowler fight where he acosted the media.  He had the interview with GQ where he trashed several opposing QBs.  He had the training camp arrival with the Brinks truck, supposedly had some not flattering things to say about Calais Campbell, the thing in Houston, and when that escalated further, he quit on the team to force a trade.  None of that is ideal behavior, to be sure.  

Yes.
These are examples of a narcissist and a team cancer. 

But how has that translated into disaster for the Rams?  Have the Rams not been a winning team since his arrival?  Hasn't he agreed to a long term deal with them since he arrived?  Has there been any serious locker room turmoil surrounding him?  Have there been any violations of the league's personal conduct or substance abuse policies by him leading to suspensions?  Have there been any arrests?  In an ideal world, we'd love for all players to be boy scouts in terms of behavior, attitude, etc.  But where is the link between whatever undesirable/dysfunctional character traits Ramsey may have and negative team performance/outcomes with the Rams? 

these have not shown up during his tenure with the Rams as far as I know. As others in the threads have noted, he is on a better team with a stronger culture and staff. Also, he got what he wanted. He went to a big market team and got a big contract. He always displayed the attitude that he was too good to play in Jacksonville. I’ve got no use for a dude like that. 

Conversely, Henderson and Campbell haven't displayed the things Ramsey did from a character standpoint, yet neither has contributed anywhere near as positive results in their combined short tenures here as Ramsey did in his first two years here.

I don’t disagree. That’s on the front office, though. They could have found a competent skilled CB to replace him with, even if that person did not live up to Ramsey’s talent. 

 I would suggest that his football skills far outweigh whatever character flaws he may have or you may find distasteful.  The Rams obviously agree, because they signed him to a long term deal, he continues to start for them, is one of the best defensive players in the league and starring on a Rams defense with stars on each level of the defense.  He's probably the second best player on the team behind Aaron Donald, and he isn't that far behind.

We will just disagree on that. It’s not worth it to me to have his skill. I’d rather have a second Shaq than put up with Ramsey. And I don’t grant your estimation of his skill level. He’s no Revis or Sanders or Woodson. I don’t even think he’s a Sherman. 

Turd in the punchbowl?

 Yes. For me and my ability to cheer for the Rams in the playoffs. 

Somehow I don't think the Rams would agree with your assessment given their actions on and off the field surrounding him. 

That’s a given. 

But let's say Ramsey is every bit the lousy human being you say, and his flaws outweigh what he provides on the field.  That can't possibly be true for every player we've jettisoned during that time, can it?

I didn’t make that case. I agreed that we’ve gotten rid of too much talent. 

Fix the O-Line!