(12-27-2021, 06:16 PM)Caldrac Wrote:

(12-27-2021, 06:05 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I'm just throwing things against the wall and see what sticks. In over 25 years as a Jaguars fan, this is the most depressed I have ever been. For many years, we were just a QB away from being a true contender for a Super Bowl. Now, we have a QB and that's all we have. We have zero talent surrounding him! This is unquestionably the worst Jaguars team we have ever fielded. We are starting from scratch. This team could barely beat a mediocre high school team. 

Maybe the Bengals wouldn't trade Higgins, but it never hurts to try. They have Ja'Marr Chase and Tyler Boyd as well and several other receivers as backups that would probably be WR1, if they were on this pathetic franchise, so anything is possible if the offer is good enough. The WR position is their biggest area of strength and they are very deep. 

I'm all for re-signing Chark, but it's gonna take him at least an entire season to get back to being the player he once was after the injury. We need someone to be effective right away to boost Lawrence's confidence. If Lawrence starts out the season in 2022 with players unable to get open and dropping passes again, he's probably lost. The same thing happened in Cincinnati a long time ago. They drafted a talented QB named David Klingler, but the rest of the offense was completely devoid of talent. After taking beatings week after week, it got into his head and he flamed out. If we did that to Trevor Lawrence, who knows how long it might take to get another franchise QB. 

I agree that there is no WR worth passing on Hutchinson or Thibodeaux and I wouldn't pass on them. We must take the BAP with our first pick, if we keep it and that means selecting a pass rusher. With that said, the only WR in this draft that I would trade back up into round 1 for would be for Jameson Williams. As a rule I am completely against ever trading up in a draft, unless you need a franchise QB. In this case though, we are in desperation mode, so I would trade up for Williams, but only for him. He's the only receiver I see as a "safe" pick.

As I said, I like Bell, but I don't see him as a "difference maker. I really believe Dotson will be taken in round 1 and I'm not touching Pickens. I believe he is the most over-hyped receiver in the draft. I see "bust" written all over him. I also am not touching Ross. That guy is a walking I.R. He can't stay healthy and almost had his career ended due to a neck injury. Never draft a WR with a reputation for being "fragile."

You're fine. I get it. I just don't see it plausible from the Bengals vantage point.

Chark should be brought back. Allen Robinson is worth bringing back as well. I think Shenault and Jones could be viable rotation players. Agnew has potential but you need him on return duties.

They'll need to be aggressive in March and April. I think Gallup and Fuller are worth a shot at receiver as well. Draft wise you're looking for a No. 1 receiver and a consistent slot receiver. They'll be able to land both between the market and draft.

Arnold is promising at TE. If they can land Gesicki you would have a nice combination there. We'll see. RB is now all of a sudden a huge concern with your two top guys coming off of injuries that never bode well for the position.

We'll see.

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Chark has to be brought back at this point, even if he isn't effective after his injury, in the short term. That is a no-brainer. I believe Allen Robinson is done. He has looked like garbage this year and has gotten less separation than our own receivers. Personally, I trade Shenault for whatever we can get. The guy is a complete bust. If we can't trade him, I cut him. he's just taking up a roster spot, which is why I would try including him in a deal for Higgins. I believe we are a better team without Shenault. Right now, he's a detriment.

As far as landing a #1 and a slot receiver, I just don't see it. You have a way more positive attitude than I do. Personally, I believe we will see a minimal difference in 2022 and Lawrence will be ruined, because we weren't able to get him help in his early development. Maybe I'm looking at things the wrong way, but as a Jaguars fan, I am conditioned to expect failure. 

Arnold is mediocre. He looks good on a couple of plays, but then seems to always make a boneheaded mistake. Gesicki is never coming here, but this draft is very deep at TE and we should be able to find one in the mid to later rounds to help upgrade the position. As for RB, Robinson probably will be out for part of 2022 and Etienne is all but lost, because players never return to 100% from Lis frac injuries. The bright side is that there has been a ton of good underclassmen RB's, who have already declared for the draft. Way more than will ever be drafted. I am very confident we can find one or two good undrafted free agents to give up the proper depth we will need.

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