(12-27-2021, 07:11 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote:

(12-27-2021, 06:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: It's so simple.

• There is not a QB in the league right now more crippled by poor coaching than Lawrence has been this season.
  
• There are only 5 QB in the league who have been hurried more often than Lawrence.
  
• There are only 10 Qb in the league who have seen more blitzes than Lawrence
  
• There are only 4 QB in the league who have suffered as many dropped passes as Lawrence.
  
• There are 0 starting QB league wide (who have not missed games) who have as few red zone pass attempts as Lawrence. ZERO
  
• There are only 7 QB league wide who have been knocked down as many times as Lawrence
  
• There are 26 QBs league wide (50 attempts or more) who experienced better average pocket time than Lawrence. 
  

This ^ represents a ridiculous amount of crap being stacked against the kid having any chance to perform well in his rookie season. 

If you are comparing Lawrence statistically to anyone minus this ^ context, you have waded very deep into nothing more than a fool's errand reserved for the grandest of fools. 

Additionally, he's made about 108 poor pass attempts this season reportedly.
 The league average is 72 poor pass attempts for players who have thrown in 10 games or more. 
So - over 15 games - he has thrown 2.4 more poor passes per game than the league average. 
That is a rookie being a rookie. 
He can fix that. 

Context, people.
Analyze him with some measure of context.

Context??

Maybe you have some valid points that the Jags have done next to nothing to ensure success for this team's players via GM/HC hires... But good players still play well in bad situations, it literally happens every season. Great players play great, regardless of coaching. For every example you give here I can give you another of a player who did better with just as bad of a situation. The best example near to us I can give you is Minshew.

Poorly coached team with a bad GM, same Oline with less WR/TE talent in 2019 as a rookie. Somehow Misnhew went 6-6 and the 4 games he didn't start were all losses. He gets a raw deal here in 2020 (he was given 0 help) and gets traded late in 21 camp.  His 1st game as starter vs this same Jets team we just faced, and he threw 2 tds and 260+ on 25 attempts. Sure, he has a better situation now in Philly, but he didn't here and somehow he still performed well enough to win games with multiple rookie of the week awards. Btw, that is what a good QB is supposed to do to a bad team, complete 80% of his passes with multiple TDs in a blowout win... Amazing, remember Brady's 51 burger vs our Gus Bus squad? That's what it's supposed to look like vs bad teams. Not 280 yards on 39 attempts with 0 Tds, tbh TL should have thrown 2 picks with 1 being a pick 6. Disgusting #s vs the worst defense in football right now.

The truly pathetic thing is they did the same thing to Minshew in 2019/2020 as they are doing to Lawrence now. They went and got absolutely no one to help their young QBs. No WRs worth a damn, no TE(a young QB's best friend) until the Arnold trade, and no impactful OL help. Maybe Little is a stud and we land a good FA pickup this FA, but last free agency was THE year to load up on talent to help TL and we blew it. That, I will agree with you on. Who will want to come to JAX with the cap going up and more teams having space? No one.

Tell that nine out of ten rookie QBs who struggle in their initial season(s). 

Yes good players improve their team, but it takes time. It’s been repeated ad nauseum, and not to be rude, but stop ignoring the simple basic fact that rookies do not usually step in and improve their team, regardless of their future career path. Some didn’t even get into the playoffs until their third or fourth year(s), when they finally had a strong enough roster to support them. You will find exceptions to every rule, but for the most part, QBs have exceptional growing pains. They usually come into depleted rosters more often then not.

You use the example of Minshew, but Minshew led us to exactly six wins his rookie year, and one his following year.

You say poorly coached, but Marrone took a Bortles led team to two plays away from the super bowl.

Minshew had a better supporting offensive cast as well. Conley, cole, chark, and fournette.

Yet he didn’t “elevate” this team to the playoffs, in neither year, nor to even a .500 record as a starter. Isn’t that what good players do?

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