(12-27-2021, 08:06 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote:

(12-27-2021, 02:16 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Oh look, someone got snippy because he was the one who made the comparison and he now has egg on his face.

And Bortles? HAA

Bortles 2014 Completion Percentage : 58.9 
Trevor's 2021 Completion Percentage:  58.7

Bortles YPA: 6.1
Trevors YPA: 5.9

Bortles YPG: 207
Lawrence 2021 YPG: 215.0



Bortles 2014 Yards: 2908
Trevor 2021 Yards: 3225

Bortles Passer rating: 69.5
Trevor Passer Rating 2021: 70.6

Bortles QBR: 26.7
Trevor QBR: 32.5

Bortles 1D Passing: 136
Trevor 1D Passing: 158

Bortles  Rush Yards /TD's / 1D: 419/ 0/ 28
Trevor:  Rush Yards / TD's / 1D: 301/ 2 / 18

Bortles INT: 17
Trevor: 14

Bortles game winning drives: 1
Trevor game winning drives: 2

Bortles and Trevor basically even in two categories (0.2 difference in those), threw only 2 more touchdowns, rushed a bit better although Trevor scored, and was worse in all other categories, and he played 14 games as (technically 13.5).

Do you even think before you post?

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You're putting words in my mouth. I wasn't the one who made a dumb claim that Trevor is playing like Gabbert. The evidence speaks that he is having a better rookie year then both Bortles and Gabbert, with an arguably dead even or worse  roster situation. Bortles had Hurns and Robinson his first year. Jones maybe sniff's Hurns jock, but not by much. Doesn't mean I am happy, just showing trolls are gonna troll. I could post twenty different QB's who had inconsistent or downright bad rookie years and went on to have a good career, and trolls just handwave it. This [Gabbert / Bortles vs. Lawrence] was their chosen metric, not mine.

Also he left out somehthing.  Bortles 11 Tds in 13 games started.  Lawrence with 9 tds in 15 games started.  Hmmm

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(12-27-2021, 03:43 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Isn't completion percentage the closest metric to determine that? If so, he's exactly what I think he is (and most likely will be as a rookie): up and down. 

Then again, how do you break down that to throws that truly weren't accurate, throws that hit the receiver in the hands, or throws where the WR ran the wrong route (e.g. the Tennessee debacle)

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I agree in a sense that making a judgement call either way is premature (i.e. we don't exactly what he will be; I see positive signs but hey, I'm not a pro). 

But some in this thread have already labeled him, and no amount of reasoning will get them to wait and see.

That goes both ways buddy.  Some have crowned Lawrence a hall of famer as soon as we drafted him.  You know what will shut people like me up?  Good play on the field.  Lets see a QB who is a franchise guy and play at a somewhat high level.  For the fact that he has regressed his rookie year is a huge red flag.   I haven't seen anyone claiming he is a bust yet but after this year everyone should have some doubts.

If he looks like the same exact player at this time next year, I'll start to get some doubts. Until then, all of the positives FAR out weigh the couple negatives.

And as far as comparing Bortles/Gabbert to Lawrence, it's not even close. Lawrence blows them out of the water in natural QB ability. Gabbert was awful and curled into a ball at the first sign of pressure. Bortles just cant throw a football. Lawrence has the pocket presence that both of them could only dream of. Just watch them play and don't look at the numbers. It's night and day.

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