(02-26-2022, 10:53 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(02-26-2022, 07:01 AM)Caldrac Wrote: The tank crushing that car looked real enough to me. It was all over Instagram yesterday. The elderly woman survived it somehow. As was the Snake Island correspondence when the Ukrainians there told the Russian's to go [BLEEP] themselves after they were told to surrender.

I know I'll probably catch a lot of [BLEEP] for what I am about to say, but, again, Sanctions will not cut it this time. Ukraine is resource rich compared to the rest of Europe. If Putin has already gone this far there's no coming back now from it. I really think you need to send them a message. Pick three or four buildings within a 5 - 10 mile radius around the Kremlin. Give it a few love taps via aerial assault and then go from there.

Putin has been instigating a lot of [BLEEP] recently. My wife's from Bosnia. The "president" in Croatia was recently denying all of the crazy [BLEEP] that happened in the 90's when Yugoslavia went to [BLEEP]. He denied the genocide that happened there openly. It's already created turmoil and protests among the countries there. Putin was on record commending him and egging his behavior on.

Just waiting on Iran now to start running their mouths.

Is your wife Bosnian Serb or Bosnian Bosnian?
Bosnia is one of those countries that doesn't really govern itself.  All decisions have to be approved by the High Representative.  The current High Representative was appointed by Germany but is not recognized by Russia.  Meanwhile the Serb areas are trying to secede from this arrangement.  So this is yet another part of the world where Russia is stirring the pot against the EU.

As for the President of Croatia, he shouldn't have said anything about Srbenicia, but, he did have a point.  What happened there was bad, but it was also an order of magnitude less bad than what happened in the 1940s.  I don't know why it matters, but, he wasn't wrong.  As they say, "you're not wrong, you're just an [BLEEP]".

Bosnian. They consider themselves ex Yugoslavians more than anything. Her dad is Orthodox religiously and her Mom is (was) Muslim during those times pre-War. After the War they fled to Germany and then eventually ended up here in Jacksonville in the 90's. They never want to live there again. 

They do have a long history of conflict over there. Her Grandmother's have both told me this. One came here with them in the 90s from her Mother's side and the other stayed in Bosnia and let her only son/child go. The grandmother still living in Bosnia was a War orphan from the 1940's. Her nor her husband, my father in law's parents, they have no clue who their real parents were. 

It's very deeply rooted over there. I often laugh with some of my friends here that think the US is littered with racist people, granted, we have our issues with that. However, from what I have seen geopolitically? Virtually almost of Europe and Africa is also deeply rooted in racism and hatred amongst each other. Asia is just as bad. Ethnic cleanses or attempts at ethnic cleanses were and, in some cases, still are widely viewed as acceptable over there. 

I agree with that last bit for sure. The 1940's were rough for a lot of European countries. Especially those caught in between Germany and Russia's power.

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(02-26-2022, 11:07 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: The Republican Party seems to be torn between "Biden is too weak and he's not doing enough" and "I don't care about the Ukraine, let it go, let's focus on more important things." 

It's quite a split.

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(02-26-2022, 07:11 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Since 1945 there hasn't been too much going on at this level. This is serious [BLEEP]. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. The US and NATO cannot allow Putin to take territory over. It will just embolden and enable other countries to start doing similar [BLEEP].

North Korea, China, etc. They need to give him an ultimatum. Stand down. Pull away from Ukraine within a week or you're going to see bullets fly from high and low.

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Sure, except Russia has nuclear weapons and they appear to care about the Ukraine more than we do.  So, issuing threats and then shooting at them, as you propose, is not a good idea.

As I said. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Letting Russia get away with taking independent territory away for it's own gain is not a good idea as well. Again, if it happens it'll just encourage China and North Korea and potentially Iran to start inching their military closer and closer to territories and countries they want to command and conquer. 

I guess we'll just head into another Cold War and continue to let Technocrats get ahead of us in the East and then quietly in the dead of night they can pin point laser strike us from space satellites. Cool beans I guess.

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