(03-04-2022, 07:27 AM)Predator Wrote: When was the last time Russia had a free election? Putin has set himself as leader until at least sometime in the 2030's. He is a dictator.

If Russia is justified because they are attacking a corrupt government then the entire world is justified to go against Russia for that very same reason.

I didn't say anything different. I even stated I wouldn't care if Russia was invaded. The issue is the world shouldn't get involved in local problems. While Putin is a czar or dictator (I don't think he is really anymore), he isn't really harming his people like in the past. His power has been slipping for a long time. He is still powerful but the large cities are more like EU cities than you think.

This war wouldn't exist if the US and EU/NATO would have stayed out of Ukraine.

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(03-04-2022, 08:51 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Russia has legitimate grievances, you say?  Nato was falling apart, Germany had disarmed, the Western democracies have deep political divisions, and no one did anything when Russia took Crimea.  And at that point, you think Russia felt so threatened they just had to invade a neighboring country?   Balderdash.  They didn't feel threatened.  Putin saw an opportunity.  He thought he saw weakness.  He thought he could get away with it.  And now he's committing mass murder in order to take over another country by force, and you justify it, because they have, in your words, "legitimate grievances."  No.  They don't.

Look at the polling for voting on Ukraine by NATO countries, it was finally over 50%. Then the pipeline and becoming EUs majority energy provider caused the US to act since they couldn't get the EU to stop the pipeline directly. Putin definitely was threatened.

There is no mass murder unless the MSM and I'm missing something. The MSM keeps telling everyone that Ukraine is destroying Russia.

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