(03-04-2022, 08:51 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(03-04-2022, 08:28 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: This happens, in part, because people don't know how to clearly delineate their feelings from the facts. The other part of this is you failing to recognize the crux of an argument. I was clear in my post to say Putin should not invade Ukraine. It is not moral. The point of my post was that if you really wanted to "stand with Ukraine," as is common in the virtue signaling communities, maybe you should consider voting out OUR terrible politicians who have contributed to this mess. Russia has legitimate grievances, but the US doesn't care because they don't have to. TWe have abandoned the geopolitical principals that helped bring down the wall in the first place. You can only push people so far before they break. 

Sometimes, I am astounded by the gullibility of people.

Russia has legitimate grievances, you say?  Nato was falling apart, Germany had disarmed, the Western democracies have deep political divisions, and no one did anything when Russia took Crimea.  And at that point, you think Russia felt so threatened they just had to invade a neighboring country?   Balderdash.  They didn't feel threatened.  Putin saw an opportunity.  He thought he saw weakness.  He thought he could get away with it.  And now he's committing mass murder in order to take over another country by force, and you justify it, because they have, in your words, "legitimate grievances."  No.  They don't.

Even if all of that is true without any other extenuating circumstances, which isn't the case, the US and Russia had an agreement. The US is violating that agreement using NATO as the pretense. Not one inch east. That was our promise. 

Again, did Russia need to invade Ukraine? No. I'm not supporting Putin. I'm questioning our policies. Ukraine should be able to join NATO. The question is whether we need to expand our defense system as well?  Is there not an alternative solution? Of course. 

Just curious, is there anything that would cause you to question our government that isn't precipitated my the media?

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