(03-14-2022, 09:05 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: At what point does the situation in Mariupol become a humanitarian crisis that the UN can't ignore? Isn't that their wheelhouse?

(03-14-2022, 04:03 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote:

(03-14-2022, 09:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: What could the UN do about it?   Nothing that I know of.

I may be thinking of a different agency. I know the UNHCR deals with refugee/humanitarian issues but the residents of Mariupol are not technically refugees. 

It's tough to see and hear about what those folks are going through and no one is able to get aid to them or get them out. Humanitarian cease fires by the Russian troops were supposed to happen so people could get out or be given food, water and medicine but it didn't happen.

They can't do anything because it's an issue on both sides and starts WW3.

Kharkov and Mariupol are going to fall into Russian control soon and that should stop the bombing there. The main issue is the UN & NATO have provided weapons to the Azov battalion nazis. There is no question about what they are, they openly admit it. They have been bombing Donbass for 8 years and those same groups have done nothing about it. Now Azov is in control of a lot of the military. They are not good people.

Russia is stepping it up on their side and bringing in their regulars. Chechen military is involved now. Russia is bombing more and no longer being nice about it. They are not going to willingly lose some decades old equipment, this is the real fighting starting and it is getting ugly quickly.

This wouldn't have been happening if it wasn't for the Azov. The Ukrainian national guard have fired on Azov units per reports, and it's not just Russian pr sources reporting it. Russian sources are showing videos of Azov hiding on and in civilian buildings waiting to fire on Russian troops. This is stuff they have done before and is being reported by more neutral places but I doubt you see it in the MSM. I don't know how truthful it is, but seems like it may be accurate somewhat, there were reports of the Azov keeping the people in the cities while the ceasefire was happening. There may have been attacks on the routes but both sides blamed each other.

The hospital that was potentially bombed had a lot of holes in the story like a piece of Swiss cheese. Russia claims they reported it 2 times that Azov moved in there and kicked everyone out that was still there after the hospital shutdown earlier. Then their is a professional photographer and an Instagram personality there for pictures. Some windows closest to the hole not broken or a wall not damaged, etc. Lots of questions on that one.

It comes down to this, Russia wants Azov destroyed, anyone involved with them dead, and Ukraine as a buffer zone. Putin is not going to stop and he will do whatever he needs to so they are destroyed. Short of WW3, it's going to happen. Ukraine needs to decide if they are willing to fight and die for Azov or agree to the terms. Unfortunately the people are stuck in the middle and it doesn't seem like either side cares now. This is quickly turning into a real war and unfortunately the people didn't get out so they are going to end up dying.

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