(03-15-2022, 10:38 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote:

(03-15-2022, 12:12 AM)p_rushing Wrote: They can't do anything because it's an issue on both sides and starts WW3.

Kharkov and Mariupol are going to fall into Russian control soon and that should stop the bombing there. The main issue is the UN & NATO have provided weapons to the Azov battalion nazis. There is no question about what they are, they openly admit it. They have been bombing Donbass for 8 years and those same groups have done nothing about it. Now Azov is in control of a lot of the military. They are not good people.

Russia is stepping it up on their side and bringing in their regulars. Chechen military is involved now. Russia is bombing more and no longer being nice about it. They are not going to willingly lose some decades old equipment, this is the real fighting starting and it is getting ugly quickly.

This wouldn't have been happening if it wasn't for the Azov. The Ukrainian national guard have fired on Azov units per reports, and it's not just Russian pr sources reporting it. Russian sources are showing videos of Azov hiding on and in civilian buildings waiting to fire on Russian troops. This is stuff they have done before and is being reported by more neutral places but I doubt you see it in the MSM. I don't know how truthful it is, but seems like it may be accurate somewhat, there were reports of the Azov keeping the people in the cities while the ceasefire was happening. There may have been attacks on the routes but both sides blamed each other.

The hospital that was potentially bombed had a lot of holes in the story like a piece of Swiss cheese. Russia claims they reported it 2 times that Azov moved in there and kicked everyone out that was still there after the hospital shutdown earlier. Then their is a professional photographer and an Instagram personality there for pictures. Some windows closest to the hole not broken or a wall not damaged, etc. Lots of questions on that one.

It comes down to this, Russia wants Azov destroyed, anyone involved with them dead, and Ukraine as a buffer zone. Putin is not going to stop and he will do whatever he needs to so they are destroyed. Short of WW3, it's going to happen. Ukraine needs to decide if they are willing to fight and die for Azov or agree to the terms. Unfortunately the people are stuck in the middle and it doesn't seem like either side cares now. This is quickly turning into a real war and unfortunately the people didn't get out so they are going to end up dying.

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I read something briefly a few weeks back about that military group and their Nazi connection. I just read another piece about them and they sound like a nationalist group for sure. I am never for any group that is extremist for any reason but especially for a nation's military force. Talk about trouble we've seen before. In one of the articles I read it mentioned this short documentary released in 2017 that shows a different side to what is happening now. I have yet to watch it but skimming the comments makes me think it shows a very different picture of who/what Russia is really fighting. It's only about 14 minutes long but I have somewhere to be so will have to share and run but will watch it later today and share any thoughts I might have. I read about the Hitler Youth years ago and how they were recruited and this outfit sounds a great deal like the one back then and that is not a good thing.

Nothing about war is black and white- there is always a grey area. Whether it be from the governments in play, the militaries/militias who are doing the actual fighting, or the people caught in the middle, there is always a different perspective and unless we are personally living it we really don't know what is really going on or who is actually involved. There are too many people in power who have agendas that prevent us as foreigners from seeing the honest big picture. While I feel for and support the people of Ukraine who are caught up in this mess I am not so sure about the politics involved. Too many rabbit holes to get lost in to understand it all.

Link to the short documentary.

Again, I haven't watched this yet but I wanted to share it now so I wouldn't forget.

The youth camps are real and are creating future nazis.



Looks like the reddit weekend warriors and for free mercenaries got destroyed by Russia in the last few days. One of the bases on the west side of Ukraine got destroyed from the air. Reddit users were "training" there, posting selfies, etc and Russia blew it up. Some stories from more experienced people show that they had no clue what it was like to fight an actual enemy and not some ragtag group of people with some weapons. The US, British, etc haven't been on the other side of fighting where they don't have air support and are the ones with a technological and gear disadvantage.

Saw a video and some other stuff about Ukraine trying to force them to sign indefinite contracts, sending them to the front to die with no gear, and then threatening to shoot them when they refused. One guy claims they were ripping up passports and sending them back.

Some of that is propaganda but most of these people that are still alive are finding out that they have been lied too by MSM and are lucky to be alive as a lot were killed.

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