(03-24-2022, 11:26 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(03-24-2022, 11:04 AM)p_rushing Wrote: It's all propaganda, Russian side is saying the opposite. The truth is in the middle somewhere. The arms movements are probably real as Russia said they bombed the base to destroy the arms being held there.

Ukraine won't win the war unless you define winning as Russia leaving Ukraine. Russia will leave, they can't really occupy them as it would take too much man power.

Look at the war maps that are being maintained online. Russia is using their normal strategy of cutting off retreat and the areas with the large Ukranian army are cut off for the most part. It's a slow process and they are taking loses in some areas but they aren't being driven back.



Lots of propaganda about civilians being targeted and killed. Russia then says Azov is keeping people in their basements and using civilian buildings and the people as human shields. Some of it is definitely true of using civilian buildings as there are videos but who knows about the rest. Russia put out a bunch of propaganda about people being freed by their troops and a bunch of people fleeing to the Russian border instead of Ukraine held points.

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There are several reasons I don't believe anything the Russians say about this war, including the fact that they don't have a free press, they jail anyone who has a different opinion or wants to report anything that doesn't conform to what Putin wants them to say, and the very obvious lies they have told since before the war.  They have zero credibility with me.  I don't know why they would have any credibility with you.  

On the other hand, if a Wall Street Journal reporter goes to Poland and reports on what he saw there, I tend to believe that.  And I tend to believe reports from countries that have a free press, especially when those reports have been corroborated by other reporters and witnesses.  Not to mention video I have seen myself, that has been verified by independent sources.

There are also well respected journalists that have covered wars their whole life, that are in Ukraine, saying the opposite. You just won't believe them because they aren't on a well respected channel or newspaper any more. Those same newspapers and channels just finished lying to you for 2 years about covid.

You can't trust either side. We know both are corrupt countries with long histories. You see the left calling out the corruption, nazis, etc a few years ago and now it's all Ukraine is great. The left is leading a PR campaign and you need to ask yourself why they are doing it.

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