(04-06-2022, 01:19 AM)p_rushing Wrote:

(04-05-2022, 10:50 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: The video I watched was of several towns and images are of exact areas I've seen from independent sources. I also happen to know what actual dead bodies look like and those were real.

I'm not discounting propaganda and in the end if history shows that it was then so be it. But I don't think it is.

There are definitely a bunch of dead in some places. The question becomes who are the dead bodies and who killed them. Both sides can show pictures of the same thing and claim it was the other side that killed them.

Both sides are saying each other is killing civilians. Russia is causing a lot more damage as they try to remove all Ukrainian troops from the encircled cities. Those cities are heavily damaged. Azov fighters are mixing in with civilians and lots of reports of them using civilians as shields. The battles are being fought in the cities so anyone still there is definitely at risk of being killed. Then you also have civilians taking up arms and defending themselves and country. You also have Russians in a lot of these cities and they may be fighting against Ukraine.

Unfortunately civilians are dying and it's not going to stop until Ukraine agrees to terms or Russia accomplishes whatever their goals are. The PR push by the worldwide media has followed a playbook, there are supposedly PR firms being paid to message it for Ukraine and feed the MSM. First it was they needed weapons, then they were beating Russia back, then they needed more to continue to win, then it was you are afraid to help Ukraine because of Russia, and now it's moving into the Ukraine has to have help because Russia is committing war crimes against civilians. I don't trust anything coming from either side.


There are some crazy stuff being thrown out there about the last stand in Azovstal (Mariupol) right now. Chatter about a 3-star General, confirmed French troops/leaders, and British, Germany, and Sweden NATO troops being there with the Azov nazis. French troops were confirmed killed in a helicopter that was supposedly trying to evacuate the Azov leadership from Mariupol. Russia claiming 2 more attempts were shot down.

Don't know want Russia wants with the last area they don't control but it's not a large area. They could just carpet bomb it and be done with it. It moves the believable meter up a little that either someone important is there and they want them alive or the even crazier stuff about what's under the location.

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You think the Ukrainians went in and shot their own people for a propaganda stunt?  And you discount all the eyewitnesses who said it was the Russians who did it?  

There are satellite photos taken days before the Ukrainians re-took Bucha that show the dead bodies in the exact same locations they were in when the news media got in there.

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