(04-09-2022, 03:00 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: IMO our current group isn't as bad as people seem to think. Last year we had one of the worst coaching staffs/WR coach. This year the group will be better with Pederson and a better Trevor. Sure, I'd love to get a #1 but if we don't get one I don't see it as a big problem.

Didn't someone post that Pederson never had a WR with more than 1000 yards in a season?

Yeah. I broke the numbers down somewhere in a thread around here. Every year he was with the Eagles it was pretty clear the passing game was evenly distributed where no particular player on offense would stand out in particular. He was naturally spoiled though having Zach Ertz as his TE. They also invested in other players like Dallas Goedert (I recall quite a few people on here high on him during that draft, myself, NOT included) and I think maybe Brett Celek was there? Didn't dig too deep. 

But, yeah, to make it simple. It was hard to find any WR leading his receiving rankings and it was rare you would find any group heavily out weighing the other. For example. I say that his offense is TE centric. But, it's an RPO, it makes sense on paper when you think about the concept of freezing linebackers and safeties to cheat up around the line to buy into the threat or a RB or QB taking off on them. The TE would be the natural first read and react target for the QB in the event he opts to pass it. 

Numbers wise though? They were relatively close. TE1 - 900 - 1100 yards, give or take, and then WR1 would be right behind him with something like 700 - 900 yards, then it's a toss up between WR2 and TE2 with the RB position sprinkled in there. Again, very much a believer in spreading the wealth around. Something Belichick has done for decades now in New England and it still applies and works well right now in the NFL. 

(04-09-2022, 03:25 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:

(04-09-2022, 03:00 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: IMO our current group isn't as bad as people seem to think. Last year we had one of the worst coaching staffs/WR coach. This year the group will be better with Pederson and a better Trevor. Sure, I'd love to get a #1 but if we don't get one I don't see it as a big problem.

Didn't someone post that Pederson never had a WR with more than 1000 yards in a season?

Yea. He has never had one but I think that has more to do with his lack of WR talent. Alshon was his best WR? And he was always hurt.

That's precisely why I am not getting bent out of shape about the WR position at the moment. He had a tremendous amount of success and fluidity on offense with around average to slightly above average play at the WR position. All the more reason I am impressed with him. And, to your point and credit. Injuries did play a hand in some of his WR's never eclipsing the 1,000 yard mark. Alshon was damn near close one year. Oddly enough, I think it was during a year when Ertz missed quite a bit of playing time. Which, again, shows Pederson's ability to read and react to his personnel issues.

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(04-09-2022, 03:35 PM)Newton Wrote: Yes I’m intrigued to see what Zay Jones can do. He seemed really likable in his interview. I think having him, Kirk, and Jones on the field together will add up to something bigger than the individual parts. Like others have said, we had so many drops that ended drives on third downs last year. Additionally, teams basically knew they only had to really cover Marvin Jones. He is not the type of receiver Who will thrive in that type of number one role. I’m hoping with three quality receivers who are at least professional grade, we will see that with the right play calling there will be someone open with separation who can catch a ball.

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I’ll add that having some quality tight end options will be immensely helpful to compliment the receivers as well.

I think Zay Jones is probably going to give you about 700 yards and 4 - 5 TD's this year if they can get him to around 100 targets over the course of 17 games. Which is very doable. Comes down to about 6 looks per game. That's not a BAD deal on paper. Especially for a new location and offense.

I don't know what Marvin Jones' contract looks like, but, he was fairly decent last year with his first year here. I hope they keep him on the team. I don't how it will shake out. Shenault should get another year I think. If Baalke doesn't draft a WR with one of those third round selections or trade up for a WR at some point I think it's pretty much guaranteed you're looking at Kirk, Jones & Jones with Shenault and Treadwell fighting for playing time on the football field all year.

Arnold and Engram should benefit at the TE position in this offense. If they don't end up drafting a WR they stand a good chance to land their pick of the litter at the TE position around pick 65.

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