(05-02-2022, 12:14 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote:

(05-02-2022, 12:07 PM)p_rushing Wrote: You believe anything coming out of western media and MSM?

I only believe things that can be backed up by facts or all info available points to it being true. Whether you want to believe it or not, MSM is lying and they are all helping Ukraine with PR. Look at the ghost crap that was proven to be a recording of a game within 24 hours. They finally admit it and they still say it is ok because it is giving hope.

You only see Russia as the bad guys because of their history and we have all been told to hate Putin. You see all the terrible Ukraine stuff forgotten or covered up. Ukraine was were most of the terrible people were from at the end of Stalin. They have continued their evils and corruption.

There are rumors that Ukraine was going to attack Donbass and Russia acted first. No way to back those up yet. They did build troop levels up in the area and it's why the main army is now stuck there. There are some facts coming out aboit stuff in congress being written in January though. So seems like they knew stuff was going to happen, just can't prove which way.

The situation is neither side is good or should be supported. Russia is purging the nazis, so that is great. The civilians on both sides are hurting.

Ukraine PR has given nothing tangible and only trying to encourage people and say they won't be giving up. There is nothing to believe but feelings from the Ukraine side.

We don't know what happens behind closed doors but we do know that in public Russia keeps making strides to end it and help get civilians out. Ukraine is not looking for peace, they keep trying to get the world in a war.

So either we end up in a war or Ukraine surrenders eventually. The war option is worse for everyone but those corrupt people and Warhawks. What's going to happen when Russia cuts off oil and natural gas supply to Europe? Good luck with that.

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Just like Patton - I see the Russians as the bigger threat.

He basically said, let's use these hardened German soldiers who don't have any ideology other than fighting for their country gather them up with my Army and lets push these Russians back into Moscow and kill them all or for the next 50 years we will be dealing with it.

[BLEEP] psycho but a great general

I'm not saying Russia isn't a threat but in a place where Russia gets rid of terrible people in Ukraine and stops the NATO push by the globalist, I really don't see the issue that the US needs to be involved. It's one thing to say we will help evacuate the civilians but sending arms to help 1 of the 2 bad sides never ends up working out in the end.

Russia is so bad and everyone should be afraid of them right? It's so bad during an active war that members of congress supposedly fly into a closed airspace because Russia is shooting everything down. They then walk openly on the streets while Russia is bombing civil areas with no regard to killing civilians. Right? All that is true right?

The media has been lying for a long time so you can bet they are still lying now. I'm 75/25% that they weren't in Ukraine as a lot of his videos have looked faked and green screened from the actor and production company owner with all that access to equipment already. Or they are in Kyev and there is no threat from Russia as Russia is doing what they have said and taking the areas that have already declared independence and cutting off all transportation routes to stop arms being moved into Ukraine.

I've said this from the beginning, if Russia looks to occupy or take over Ukraine, that crosses the line but securing the freedom of the independent territories after the constant bombing for 8 years and removing missiles from near it's borders is fine as it's the same thing the US has done.

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