(06-16-2022, 06:52 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: (05-31-2022, 08:54 AM)Mikey Wrote: Refusing to play for Bob Irsay might be a proof that Stanford puts out some smart kids more than the sign of an "entitled prick" [sic]. This may be the first time I've seen anyone refer to Kyler Murray as a real QB; heck the boy was torn between football and playing for the A's.
It's not 100% success. Cowboys took two QBs months apart, in two separate drafts and it failed. Cripes almighty look at the Browns' cape of sadness, seemed like they were constantly swinging for fences and STILL botched things big time with their latest transaction, but those don't count, right?
A quick google search will tell you that Elway and his father said he'd prefer to play on the west coast. If you're trying to tell me that a college kid, given the oppurtunity of a life time to be selected #1 in the NFL draft and millions of dollars flat out told the team giving him his oppurtunity no I don't wanna play in your city isn't entitled, I don't know what is. Also what point are you trying to make with the browns example? They kept swinging until they got a hit and now they are one of the better teams in the NFL... look at the jaguars, we rarely draft QBs and that's got us nowhere. We tried to make things work with Gabbert and Bortles and even Gardner Minshew.. where did any of that get us? PS Mayfield had some good years, he's started to fall off and look, they UPGRADED. Off the field issues aside if Watson actually plays they have a top 5 QB now. You don't just sit around and hope a bum gets good.
welcome back? way to resurrect a dead thread.
show me in my post where I refuted your claim that Elway acted out of entitlement. Simmer down, I took advantage of an opportunity to poke fun at both Baltimore and the Irsay with a sarcastic comment. Bo Jackson refused to play football when the Bucs drafted him, so he's an entitled prick, too, right?
My point about Cleveland is exactly what you are arguing. They swung and swung and swung, whether due to poor darfting or impatience, nobody ever got a shot to get them good. Mayfield comes in and the team (not just Mayfield, the team) is improved. As you would agree, their arrow is (was, IMHO) pointing up. Mayfield gets hurt, season in disarray, they immediately do what they know, panic and pursue another QB. The ransom they paid for an uncertain future that also alienated the vast majority of their own fanbase let alone their locker room may doom their recent success. They have no patience, no trust in their coach to get anything out of their QB, and they mortgaged their future for a short-term fix that might not even be available. That's exactly the impatience every dang other poster here is arguing when it comes to dismissing our top pick after 2 seasons (the premise of the thread, remember?)
I'm not saying the Browns should not have hedged their bets when it comes to Mayfield's future. His injury and his game may be limited. Draft a guy that has starting potential, sure. Put a little heat on Baker to show up or get out of the way. Stefanski is an offensive mind and should be able to get some results from even a middling QB. Heck, their offense is built upon the run game, which deemphasizes the need of a premier QB anyway. Throwing 3 firsts at a guy that is in the middle of over two dozen legal issues and potentially pending action from the league itself AND giving him a fully guaranteed contract on top of that is not only desperation, but it's destruction when it comes to their future. I'll just say that I strongly disagree Watson is a top 5 QB. You're entitled to believe differently, we've all been wrong before, too.
