(06-20-2022, 10:01 AM)SeldomRite Wrote:

(06-20-2022, 09:46 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You know what? I'll give you the courtesy of explaining why I don't take you seriously. First of all, show me where I said CRT was liberal. I said it was born out of progressive ideology. Liberalism and progressivism are not synonyms. Sorry you don't get that. I have zero problems with liberalism, and I increasingly see the benefits of laws that protect US citizens from greedy elites with the caveat that individualism is paramount, which is a directly in line with American liberalism. Progressivism is born out of collectivist ideology and doesn't give two [BLEEP] about the individual. Liberalism may have driven it to prominence in the US, but progressivism is a different animal entirely, and this distinction is the primary reason there is infighting in the Democratic party. Admittedly, this is an oversimplification of the two ideologies, but if you want to go into it at length, create another thread, and we can discuss it. The main point is they are not the same.

As for the mad about your post... your post was "Bruh." Who the [BLEEP] are you to bruh me? It's not like you are some intellectual giant that I've gone toe to toe with in previous discussions. You've never shown yourself to be particularly well read or willing to honestly engage on a topic in depth. You can't even get the point that I picked CRT because I know it's something FSG wouldn't want forced on him by the government, not because I think it's the same thing as vaccines. Nothing annoys me more than people who "crack the code" of breaking down analogous content. You literally can point out a difference in any single analogy because they are NEVER the same thing, otherwise, it wouldn't be an analogy. 

So, no... I didn't EQUATE the two. I just substituted one for the other because we are talking about the role the government should play in leveraging the power of the federal government against businesses to get them to do their bidding. We are not comparing vaccines to CRT. The choice I made there is irrelevant. It's like if I said, I would really like to fly like a bird or a bat, and you responded with "they are completely different." No [BLEEP].

I was going to write a long response, but it would probably just lead to more arguing that I don't see a point in. I'll just leave it at apologizing for thinking you had committed the oft encountered mistake of conflating liberalism and progressivism.

I will say, since the bruh thing seems to have gotten under your skin, it was because you were conflating indoctrination, which the government should have no interest in or right to do, and protection of public safety, which is one of the government's strongest mandates.

Then just say that. I would engage in good faith. I don't like it when I write a lengthy post with several different points of contention, then someone responds with a one-word response. I'll admit it rubs me the wrong way when posters do that and don't give me the courtesy of being specific about what they agreed or didn't agree with. It's comes across as lazy and disingenuous.   

I get it... I do it all the time to Mikey. Sometimes just want to express disagreement with him without putting any effort into it. It's intended to be dismissive, but I also frequently get in long debates with him, know him, and generally respect him. I also trust he knows I will engage him in good faith if he wants to know what annoyed me. I apologize for getting testy, but it's my default response to getting casually dismissed. 

As to your point made above, there are many on the left who would say CRT is for our public safety. Now, I know that is not the same to me and you, but it's the justification that would be used to implement it. The federal government is an ever-encroaching power grab, and almost everything that is eroding individual freedoms is under the guise of what's best for the collective. I recognize your point of distinction, and I think it's reasonable, but I still don't think it matters in the long run. I have gone to great lengths to discuss my disapproval of the way the CDC has handled the pandemic in the Covid thread, and why I think there is more policy being created for profit than for the genuine concern of the American people. Until we get that cleaned up, it's hard for me to take the public safety argument seriously, not because I think it's important to you, but because I don't believe it's important to the elites.

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