(06-20-2022, 10:40 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(06-20-2022, 10:33 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: No, I don't think I am immune from bias, but I am arguing from a logical point of view. You have yet to refute the logic part of it. We can both agree that hospitals could voluntarily mandate the vaccine for their employees from a free market perspective. I can admit that, even though I think it's unethical for a novel vaccine. Regardless, I wouldn't say they were "forced" under those circumstances, because they could choose other employment. HOWEVER, when the government imposes massive fines on all hospitals, there is no more freedom to move to another hospital. That's the logic that you keep ignoring.

Again, you assume a right to employment in healthcare. "Forcing" of all types happen including education, licensure, insurance coverage, legal compliance, contracting...you have to do a ton of things to work in the industry. If you don't comply with those things you don't get to work, that's life. There is no right to a job in health care. And this isn't restricted to just healthcare, it's a fact of life that you think just doesn't apply here because you think it's stupid.

Yes, and I think the word "force" is perfectly reasonable to use in all those situations. It's ok to admit when the government is forcing people to do stuff. It's not always bad, but you don't get to tell people they are using the wrong word. That's federal compulsion that results in one losing their job if they don't comply. It's ok to refer to that as force. This is your issue, not mine.

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