(06-20-2022, 01:33 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: There is no agreeing to disagree in this situation. I am not arguing about the efficacy of the vaccine. I am not arguing whether or not the law was good or bad. I am happy to do so, but that was never my contention.

We are page 3 of this debate, because one of our resident libertarians is burying his head in the sand with regards to government coercion. The government is in the "force" business. It's what they do. When they made a mandate, people had to make choices they would not otherwise make, and there was no way for the free market to correct. Just like taxes, speed limits, licensing, etc. It's all force, and it's absolutely fair to call it that. I don't care if FSG thinks it's good force. He used hyperbole to deflect, then failed to address any of the logic associated with my position.

Here is the post that started the discussion:

(06-17-2022, 10:36 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: "Forced" is a pretty simple word and he used it in a way that wasn't accurate in my estimation. It's was a pretty simple question I asked too, but I guess when you got your ax to grind even basics are too much for yo

As to the vaccine, I am happy to debate that stuff, but this isn't one of those times. I have said from the beginning that I thought it would take us at least 5 years to understand the true effectiveness and safety of the vaccines. I have always been open to changing my mind on the topic. To be frank, I am behind on the literature. It takes too much effort to stay on top of it, and I have just had too much to do. Plus, I'm a little burnt out on it.

Ultimately, I just found it condescending that FSG would be so hyperbolic in his response to NewJagsCity about the "use of words," when he could and should be able to see why that word is acceptable. Even accepting all of his premises, it still amounts to force by the government. Limiting it to physical restraint is immature and shortsighted.