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Sudden Adult Death Syndrome

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(This post was last modified: 06-22-2022, 11:15 PM by Lucky2Last. Edited 2 times in total.)

(06-21-2022, 11:59 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(06-20-2022, 02:20 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Sure, the last line of that post was opinion, but it's a fact the government is in the force business, and it's a fact that they created a mandate for hospitals. And it's a fact that those hospitals had to fire people that didn't get the vaccine or go under due to massive fines. And it's a fact that you can safely use that word in context and be correct. It's my opinion that you seem to be conveniently ignoring that in this instance.

1. And you're ignoring that many if not most of those hospitals already had a mandate in place and would've included Covid as a component without regard to the actions of the government.

 No. I am not. I have said I acknowledge that many hospitals were already doing this, but have you acknowledged that many weren't? Because that's the crux of my argument. Many hospitals did not require vaccines until it was mandated by the government, which means it was the government mandate that removed choice. Which is... wait for it... force, especially when not done through an elective body.

2. You seem to think that a government mandate for something means that everyone does it against their will. But, as we go around the circle again, no one has a right to employment. Are you arguing that they do or not? If you agree with me that they do not then this conversation is effectively over because we are in accord. If you disagree with me and say that they do have a right to their employment then we need to shift to something entirely different.

 I'm fine with right to employment, but that doesn't end this conversation. We're not talking about right to work. We're talking about whether it's force when the government regulates the free market. People are free to pick where they work and employers are free to set their criterion. I have no contention with you on this point. This is called the free market. It's no longer the free market once the government imposes mandates, and anywhere they make mandatory laws, it's government compulsion, whether it's good or bad. Again, my point. I'm objecting you you telling NewJagsCity that he was being manipulative with words.

3. You want to talk about why the rules are in place and treat that as your evidence that they had no choice. That's wrong, they had a choice and if they choose to not comply with the rules then they chose to leave their employment. That's not unique to this Covid circumstance, it's a basic fact of life here in Reality World. 

 No. When the government interferes in the free market. It eliminates choice. What it says goes, or you face the consequences. They are not trying to get people to choose; they are trying to get people to comply. In any other area of government, you would recognize this, but you are blinded by your involvement in your profession. I'm honestly starting to think your cognitive dissonance here stems from your libertarian point of view, not your profession, but I digress.

4. If you'd quit trying to spin this to align with your anti-Covid vaccine perspective you would see that you agree with me because you would never defend a food service employee not agreeing to wearing gloves and a hair net on the line or washing their hands after using the restroom.

 This has nothing to do with my "anti-Covid vaccine" perspective, which isn't even anti-Covid vaccine. This has everything to do with you talking down to NewJagsCity, like he was be manipulative by using the word "force." It's a perfectly fine word. The government forces you to wear seatbelts and do speed limits. You seem to think I'm debating whether or not it's a good or bad policy. I don't care. That's not what I'm doing here. 

5. There's just no way you would say the employer had to both keep them employed and allow them to flout company policy (even policy that's *gasp* mandated). Except in this one, and it has nothing to do with employment rights and everything to do with your feelings about the vaccine.

 Do I need to say it again? I have answered all of your "questions," but you have not answered mine. Why is force not the right word? Why did the government need to make a mandate if the free market had already resolved it? If your answer is precedent, just admit that is force. Just like paying taxes. Like I originally said. 

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Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Ronster - 06-14-2022, 02:59 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by The Drifter - 06-14-2022, 03:21 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Ronster - 06-14-2022, 03:30 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-14-2022, 03:58 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by The Drifter - 06-14-2022, 04:20 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by americus 2.0 - 06-16-2022, 05:02 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by captivating - 06-14-2022, 04:42 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by jagibelieve - 06-14-2022, 05:36 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by RicoTx - 06-14-2022, 06:48 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-15-2022, 07:33 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by RicoTx - 06-15-2022, 08:44 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by p_rushing - 06-14-2022, 11:32 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by WingerDinger - 06-15-2022, 10:35 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by NewJagsCity - 06-17-2022, 01:30 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2022, 05:43 AM
Copycat - by copycat - 06-17-2022, 07:07 PM
RE: Copycat - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2022, 09:15 PM
Copycat - by copycat - 06-18-2022, 09:46 PM
RE: Copycat - by flsprtsgod - 06-18-2022, 10:27 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-17-2022, 07:01 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2022, 07:07 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-17-2022, 07:45 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2022, 10:36 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-17-2022, 11:10 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-20-2022, 01:33 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-20-2022, 02:09 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by NewJagsCity - 06-17-2022, 11:03 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2022, 11:17 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by mikesez - 06-17-2022, 06:40 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2022, 06:50 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by NewJagsCity - 06-17-2022, 11:23 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2022, 11:27 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-17-2022, 01:20 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2022, 04:38 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-17-2022, 05:00 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2022, 05:04 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-17-2022, 05:17 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2022, 05:42 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-18-2022, 12:54 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-18-2022, 08:10 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-18-2022, 11:09 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-18-2022, 01:57 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-18-2022, 05:01 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-18-2022, 06:27 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-18-2022, 06:32 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-18-2022, 07:55 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-18-2022, 09:21 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-18-2022, 11:05 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-18-2022, 11:23 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by SeldomRite - 06-19-2022, 09:13 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-19-2022, 07:04 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-19-2022, 09:17 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by SeldomRite - 06-19-2022, 10:07 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-19-2022, 12:38 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by SeldomRite - 06-19-2022, 01:15 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-19-2022, 10:07 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by SeldomRite - 06-20-2022, 06:51 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-20-2022, 09:46 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by SeldomRite - 06-20-2022, 10:01 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-20-2022, 10:54 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-19-2022, 10:08 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-19-2022, 11:17 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-19-2022, 11:52 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-20-2022, 09:29 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-20-2022, 10:19 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-20-2022, 09:03 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-20-2022, 10:33 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-20-2022, 10:40 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-20-2022, 11:02 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by p_rushing - 06-20-2022, 12:40 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-20-2022, 02:20 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-21-2022, 11:59 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by mikesez - 06-21-2022, 12:40 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-21-2022, 02:06 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by mikesez - 06-21-2022, 03:25 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-21-2022, 04:24 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by mikesez - 06-21-2022, 04:29 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-21-2022, 09:15 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by mikesez - 06-21-2022, 10:55 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-22-2022, 08:16 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by mikesez - 06-22-2022, 09:08 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-22-2022, 11:09 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by mikesez - 06-22-2022, 12:18 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-22-2022, 12:34 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-22-2022, 11:02 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Ronster - 06-20-2022, 07:23 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by p_rushing - 06-20-2022, 10:43 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-21-2022, 11:05 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Cleatwood - 06-22-2022, 07:50 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by WingerDinger - 06-22-2022, 11:13 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Cleatwood - 06-22-2022, 12:37 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-23-2022, 06:24 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-23-2022, 06:54 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Cleatwood - 06-23-2022, 10:19 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-23-2022, 01:42 PM
Copycat - by copycat - 06-23-2022, 03:16 PM
RE: Copycat - by flsprtsgod - 06-23-2022, 03:32 PM
Copycat - by copycat - 06-23-2022, 07:59 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-23-2022, 09:10 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-23-2022, 03:35 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by mikesez - 06-23-2022, 06:09 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-23-2022, 08:27 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-23-2022, 11:34 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-24-2022, 07:22 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-24-2022, 10:12 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-24-2022, 02:57 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-24-2022, 05:19 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-24-2022, 05:37 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Cleatwood - 06-24-2022, 03:21 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-24-2022, 09:42 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by NewJagsCity - 06-24-2022, 09:45 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-24-2022, 11:01 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-24-2022, 11:30 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-25-2022, 12:22 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by flsprtsgod - 06-25-2022, 06:35 AM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Lucky2Last - 06-25-2022, 05:44 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by jj82284 - 06-26-2022, 07:51 AM
Copycat - by copycat - 06-26-2022, 01:58 PM
RE: Sudden Adult Death Syndrome - by Ronster - 06-28-2022, 01:40 PM



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