(08-08-2022, 02:29 PM)Sneakers Wrote:

(08-07-2022, 01:24 PM)mikesez Wrote: Yeah that's completely incorrect.

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I didn't say people speaking against the constitution should be punished in most circumstances.   I said in extreme circumstances it can become necessary to punish them in order to preserve the union.  And the main point was that if circumstances do become that extreme, both the right and the left will need to change the way they've been talking.

Hey, that's the same way they do it in Russia, China and North Korea.  What would you call that new form of government you support?

The US has only had the type of extreme circumstances that require dissent to be punished at the federal level once in its history, the civil war. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus and imprisoned a few people, most famously Clement Vallandingham.  Vallandingham was allowed to return to the US after the war was over.  
This is not at all like Russia, China, or North Korea (or Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Myanmar, Nazi Germany, we could go on) because in those places the "extreme circumstances" are imaginary or deliberately created and the "emergency" never ends.  That's not at all what I'm advocating for and you should know better.

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