(08-13-2022, 11:03 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:

(08-13-2022, 06:16 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: You keep harping on this after you've been shown over and over again how it's not accurate. 

How many picks do you think he'll throw this season? 

Still waiting on your response in the other thread about his mistakes vs the browns BTW.

To summarize here. I claimed prior to his rookie year that he had accuracy issues and made poor decisions. He went on to lead the league in Picks, throw a sad 12 touchdown passes, got 7 or 8 games without scoring, and rarely eclipse 200 yards passing. 

Now in what world was I wrong? He made poor decisions, he definitely threw some laughable passes.. and his season reflected my view point to a tee, if not worse.

This is the hard truth you aren't willing to swallow (which is shocking consid.. nvm) If Lawrence went to the jets instead of us, and had the same season you would have the exact same opinion on him I do. The fact is, people are bias when it concerns something they care about. I'd bet my life right now that everyone on this board believes Zach Wilson is a bust, and he was awful don't get me wrong but he had many more "flashes" as you all like to call them than Trevor did last year. Problem is, Zach Wilson being good is irrelevant to you so you will use logic to determine if he's good.. but you rather base your opinions on emotion. 

As far as the Browns game goes, If you didn't see a few bad decisions and poor throws, you weren't watching the game. I'm not going to sit here and explain each play for you like a toddler, you saw the same thing I did. He did have some good plays, as expected. Just because I can visually see him make mistakes and I call them out rather than sweep them under the rug like yourself dosen't mean I don't think he's talented and can be capable of progressing. What I wont do is pretend that my own evaluation hasn't shown itself to be accurate throughout the course of his first season. 

Like it or not, it dosen't matter. You can say i'm wrong as many times as you want but unfortunately anyone with eyeballs can see I wasn't. I know our last sitting president made it popular to claim things happened that didn't, clearly he was a bad example on you.

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(08-13-2022, 08:02 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: I just wanna say a few things:

Trevor looks better but didn't impress me. I still don't see that generational talent (yeah, yeah it is still only the preaseason, we'll see).
Travon Walker looks like the real deal, still, I wanna see that in regular season.
Only the preseason but I can already tell this offense looks really good (the plays, the scheme, the way they utilize players). Unlike last season when a lot of people were like "it's only the preseason they are not gonna show anything..." well, they didn't show anything worth crap all season.

Are you not one of the clowns that hates on me specifically because i've said that since the jets were in possesion of the #1 pick?

hello?

(08-14-2022, 08:59 AM)Bullseye Wrote:

(08-13-2022, 01:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

• A few quick notes as I rewatch the 1st quarter:

• Good hustle from RRH
  
• Front five starters on Jags 3-4 D are effectively collapsing the pocket vs this browns OL (notably Fatukasi, RRH, Allen and Walker)
  
• On the nice sideline pass to Zay, TL also had Marvin Jones wide open near the sticks but wisely saw the one-on-one shaping up deeper (DB had back to the QB at release) Lawrence may not see everything out there just yet, but he's making good good reads as well 
  
• The overthrows to open guys will be something to watch. He did it last year a few too many times and will need to reel it in. We saw the bills' Josh Allen go through this same process. I think Lawrence will tame that mistake as the year rolls on. 
  
  
  
  

I recall Smoot having a great jump on a short yardage play.

I thought it interesting that Allen wound up playing SAM while Walker was the Will.  I know both were theoretically capable of playing either sid, I figured Walker's size and power would lend itself more to the strong side.  It'll be fun to see what kind of defensive wrinkles we'll see in the regular season.

I don't know if this is the fog of Nyquil kicking in or me getting old, but I only recall the one overthrow on the second play.  Was there another I missed or somehow otherwise can't recall?

TL complained about PI on that pass to the corner of the end zone, but I didn't get a good look at it.  But I'll be damned if I let the refs completely off the hool.  On that last Browns' TD, Dobbs was over the line.  That should have been an illegal forward pass.

Browns also sat some key players like Myles Garrett, Clowney, and Denzel Ward (at least I think they did).  But offensively, they looked way out of sync.  My question is why would they play Watson knowing he will be suspended for a minimum of 6 games instead of getting the backup prepared to play?

Engram was so wide open on the play.  The chess match between Pederson/Teylor and Rivera and JDR in week 1 will be interesting to see.