(09-12-2022, 02:37 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(09-06-2022, 07:09 PM)p_rushing Wrote: I'm sure they have problems, it's war and plans never succeed. They are crushing Ukraine though. It just depends on what their end goals are. The last counter attack by Ukraine was a terrible crushing defeat. They pushed forward, Russia returned some fire and retreated. That repeated several times. Then the idiots realized wait, we are now surrounded on all sides. A known Russia tactic to retreat and then sure up the flanks with more men to surround the advancing troops.

The issue is the media has been pushing this story since the 2nd week of the war. Russia isn't going to just stop and go away and they aren't running out of stuff.

Terrible crushing defeat?  

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/polic...ines-favor

"Military experts are gushing over Ukraine’s stunning military advances over the past 72 hours, which broke through Russian lines in the Kharkiv region, reclaimed more than 1,200 square miles of occupied territory, and forced hundreds of humiliated Russian troops to retreat in disarray, abandoning their equipment and running for their lives.

“Ukraine has launched the greatest counteroffensive since World War II," said urban war expert [b]John Spencer[/b] on Twitter. “Look what they have done. They have achieved the unachievable.”


Here's some very frank discussion on Russian TV:

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/statu...hrrKLpIGVw

This was completely different than the failed counterattack. I haven't had much time so I haven't looked into what happened over the weekend. I did see that Ukraine attacked in the NE and then they claim they took a bunch of land, etc. I saw reports of power plants being hit and power going out in a lot of places. I also saw some stuff suggesting that it wasn't actually Ukrainian troops but was Nato and mercenaries.

(09-13-2022, 09:00 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Personally, I think we are too quick to believe our own propaganda. By all accounts, this was a win for Ukraine, but at a terrible cost.

I also have concerns NATO may be showing its hand a bit too much. I really hope we don't push Russia to do something extreme. If they already feel like they are fighting the entire west, they might not hold back.

Yes need to wait for a few days to actually see what is true. There are reports from both sides and the ones coming from Russian sources are pointing to non-Ukrainian troops being the ones that led the attacks and even worse some of the US defense mercenary groups being involved. Russia supposedly then attacked power plants which they previously haven't taken them offline. I really hope that the Nato or mercs stuff is false and that Russia doesn't start bombing like they can. If Russia decides it's had enough playing nice in the war, whole cities will be gone, civilians included.

We need to wait and see what shakes out as the truth.

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