(09-23-2022, 10:26 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(09-23-2022, 10:01 AM)p_rushing Wrote: What makes you say the special operation has failed?

The MSM is/has been saying it failed but it doesn't appear to have failed per the goals the Russians have been saying all long. You can't solely look at things through the narrative that you know they will shape to whatever they want it to be.

If the referendums fail, then the operation was not successful. It won't be a complete failure as they have disposed of 1,000s of terrible human beings who constantly attacked innocent civilians in Eastern Ukraine. Russia also meet it's goal of stopping the NATO advancement and keeping nukes out of Ukraine. They had the added bonus of the West sinking billions of dollars and weapons into a failed country with no results. Then those same countries are about to have riots and overthrow their governments when they can't pay for gas and are starving and freezing.

If you remove yourself from the feelings and trying to decide who is right or wrong, this has not been a failure for Russia.

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What planet are you on?  Do you actually believe what you just wrote?  

Firing your own generals, calling up 300,000 reservists and threatening nuclear war is not a sign of success.  All they've accomplished is to show the world how much the Russian army sucks.  At a price of billions in lost and abandoned equipment and thousands of dead soldiers.  

As for stopping NATO, did you not notice that Sweden and Finland have applied for NATO membership since this war started?  

But actually, I hope Putin believes what you said.  Then maybe he can declare victory and stop this madness.

You have stated feelings. No factual information and no stated goals. If you can't even state 1 goal but then you and MSM use that to constantly move the goalposts.

You do know what happened to after Russia left the NE territory right? They bombed all the troops, equipment, and stockpiles that were sent there. Why did the counter attack stop? Could it be because they got flattened by bombs?

It's obvious what Russia wants right now. It's new territory. Why do you think they are calling up 300,000 men? They know the referendums will pass and then they will need to rotate out the troops like they have been doing the whole time.


At least look at the independent reports that are reporting on this. Russia isn't losing unless you think their goal was to take over Ukraine.

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