(10-06-2022, 10:08 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(10-06-2022, 09:17 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: What you see and hear is someone else's determination of WHAT you should see and hear not what really happened.

Isn't it possible that what reporters in Ukraine are showing me is what really happened?  And if not, then how would I decide what really happened?  Or are we doomed to doubt our own eyes and ears, and never reach any conclusion, because someone might be deceiving us?  How do you figure out what really happened, if not from your own eyes and ears?  Do you assume that because someone showed you something, therefore it is not true?  How do you come to a conclusion about anything if you doubt everything you see and hear?  Do you make up your own conclusions out of thin air because you can't believe anything you see and hear?  

Here's an example.  Ukraine says they are winning.  Pro-Kremlin, pro-Putin reporters in Russia say Ukraine is winning.  I see endless videos of dead Russian soldiers, bombed out Russian tanks and APCs, and even Russian generals showing maps that reveal the fact that they are retreating.  I hear reporters from all over the world saying that Ukraine is advancing and Russia is retreating.  What conclusion, if any, can I draw from that?  Is Ukraine advancing and Russia retreating?  

If I'm supposed to doubt everything I see and hear, is there ever going to be a situation where I have enough evidence to draw a conclusion about anything?

They both lie but with Russia you know it's half truths that are then stretched and embellished. You have out right lies from the MSM and Ukraine PR that has been proven false over and over again but people just believe it as truth.

The MSM has even admitted to making things up and yet you keep going back to it as truthful. Frankly I don't believe anything they say without it being confirmed by outside people.


You have enough information right now to know you don't know what is going on and most people don't. No one truly knows what Russia's goals are. We see them retreating to the territories that voted to join Russia. Ukraine lost lots of men and equipment in order to take territories that had limited value to Russia other than looking embarrassing to retreat. Russia still has the artillery, drones, and bombing advantages.


Does this mean an end to the war? It depends on what Ukraine does. I think Russia is resting right now. Putin has now cleared requirements to bring allies in and create a full war if he wants. If Ukraine attacks the new Russian territories, by law Russia can then flatten them if they choose to. Hopefully that doesn't happen but it seems the West wants it to happen.

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