(10-11-2022, 09:19 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: There is no excuse for bombing any residential area or school still occupied by civilians. If you suspect there are targets in the area you use special operations forces to take them out the way the Mossad does. Specific targets are dealt with to lessen collateral damage.

This whole situation is a Charlie Foxtrot.

I agree with this and if you look at history of Russia, they were tame and held way back. They rarely bombed missle defense systems that were on civilian buildings. They also took a slow approach to clearing the cities they attacked and didn't just flatten them. What we are seeing now is what could have been done from the start if they wanted to. Most of the cities will be without power and no rail service in a few days. The transition stations are also being taken out and this will lead to even the diesel trains not being able to run.

It's going to get bad very quickly if the bombing doesn't stop. If you didn't see who Russia promoted to command the forces, this is the 1st time during the war/special whatever that they had a single commander, it is not going to be good for Ukraine. He is bombing them before the invasion happens, similar to Iraq plan. The question becomes how much power does he have and how long do they wait for Ukrainian people to force peace.

(10-11-2022, 07:21 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: There's a ton of propaganda on both sides. There's also a ton of good people who are pretty much forced to fight in a war that I can guarantee that most don't want to participate in.. 

I've read quite a few articles lately about both the Russian and Ukraine people. My conclusion is, they're just like us. They have their extremists like we have, but we also have a nation of generally, good and caring people. People who have to deal with tyrants in office. So I'm definitely not going to judge the Russian or Ukraine people, but I will judge their governments.

The people are definitely getting screwed by their leaders. The people in the east were used to it as the government was bombing them for years. The older people may remember the forced famines by Stalin that their parents went through. Then they became harden supporters to stop that. Then they get freedom but the country is split because a bunch them are Russian or Chechens. Now nazis have a foothold in the country because they have been conditioned to hate the people that are different than them because the blame is pushed to the Russians for all the corruption in Ukraine.

Regardless of the leaders being Russian or installed by the West, everything stays the same.

I saw a meme that said something like Ukraine has the worst roads in the world and infrastructure is failing apart but everyone drives luxury cars. Everyone is skiming off the top of the government funds that they can't afford upkeep but yet everyone can afford a nice car. It's only the regular, nonconnected people that struggle.

I hope the people start demanding peace but looks like the SBC isn't going to allow it. Looks like anyone that isn't toeing the Russia is getting killed line is finding themselves missing. The US will also block piece unless they can't get any more money out of the war.

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