(10-12-2022, 09:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(10-12-2022, 12:48 AM)p_rushing Wrote: I agree with this and if you look at history of Russia, they were tame and held way back. They rarely bombed missle defense systems that were on civilian buildings. They also took a slow approach to clearing the cities they attacked and didn't just flatten them. What we are seeing now is what could have been done from the start if they wanted to. Most of the cities will be without power and no rail service in a few days. The transition stations are also being taken out and this will lead to even the diesel trains not being able to run.

It's going to get bad very quickly if the bombing doesn't stop. If you didn't see who Russia promoted to command the forces, this is the 1st time during the war/special whatever that they had a single commander, it is not going to be good for Ukraine. He is bombing them before the invasion happens, similar to Iraq plan. The question becomes how much power does he have and how long do they wait for Ukrainian people to force peace.



The people are definitely getting screwed by their leaders. The people in the east were used to it as the government was bombing them for years. The older people may remember the forced famines by Stalin that their parents went through. Then they became harden supporters to stop that. Then they get freedom but the country is split because a bunch them are Russian or Chechens. Now nazis have a foothold in the country because they have been conditioned to hate the people that are different than them because the blame is pushed to the Russians for all the corruption in Ukraine.

Regardless of the leaders being Russian or installed by the West, everything stays the same.

I saw a meme that said something like Ukraine has the worst roads in the world and infrastructure is failing apart but everyone drives luxury cars. Everyone is skiming off the top of the government funds that they can't afford upkeep but yet everyone can afford a nice car. It's only the regular,  nonconnected people that struggle.

I hope the people start demanding peace but looks like the SBC isn't going to allow it. Looks like anyone that isn't toeing the Russia is getting killed line is finding themselves missing. The US will also block piece unless they can't get any more money out of the war.

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Pure, unadulterated Russian propaganda.  Why you want to post messages like that is beyond me, unless you live in Russia and are working for the Russian government.  The fact that you never post a link to a source for any of your claims is very telling.  

Putin is losing this war.  He is out of options, so he has turned to terror attacks against civilians.  It's like a murder-suicide.  If he can't have Ukraine, he's going to flatten it.  The man is a war criminal.  

Anyone with eyes and ears knows what is actually happening.  Even pro-Russia news outlets are reporting that the Russian army is in deep trouble.  The Russian army sucks.  They have bad leadership, they have bad morale, their logistics are terrible, and their weapons are out of date.  Their answer is to kill the people they were supposed to be trying to liberate, and destroy they country they were supposed to be helping.  Attacking civilians is all they have left.  

Ukrainians don't want to be part of Russia.  That's why they fight so hard for their country

I'm sorry you are so brainwashed you can't see beyond what MSM is telling you. I guess the Russian people living in Eastern Ukraine that voted to join Russia didn't want to leave Ukraine. I guess they should have just told the Ukrainian army that was bombing them almost daily for the last 8 years. Over 14,000 civilians were killed, this fact has even been reported in the MSM but you won't hear about it now.

You say the people are fighting so hard for their country but again you are only speaking about western Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine is fighting with Russia against Ukraine.

You seem to think you know what Russia's goals are. How do you know what Russia wants? You say the Russian army sucks, their weapons are out of date, and they have poor leadership, so why do you fear fighting them? Why are you fine with the west and NATO using the Ukrainian people to fight a proxy war with Russia if they suck so bad? Why don't you just get on your Warhawk and start saying we should be openly at war with Russia? Why aren't you over there fighting?

I guess we will just keep moving the goalposts when Russia still hasn't run out of forces, rockets, tanks, food, etc during the winter while the Ukrainian people and the rest of the EU freeze because they have no power.

You should open a history book and learn about the people and how diverse and broken up the country is. I know people in Ukraine and I know people who have fled Russia. Neither government is right. Russia can claim the upper hand as they "were just freeing the Russian people in the east from the crimes against humanity the Ukrainian army was committing". (Doesn't that sound familiar to what the US has done many times) Now with Russia expanding the targets to infrastructure and causing civilian casualties, they lose that upper hand.

All of this is happening because the elites want to attack the elites in Russia and stop them from having a chance to over take them by joining with the Eastern powers. Meanwhile people suffer everywhere for the proxy war and the people of Ukraine pay with their lives.

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