(11-30-2022, 12:02 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Btw, to reopen the can of worms being discussed by Mikey and HB... doesn't it say something about the way we view the left that we assume this internal discussion was being had between conservatives and liberals? What your implicitly stating is that you don't think liberals believe in free speech, which has become largely true. Personally, I think there are discussions that were had between liberals and progressives (there's a difference), and progressives won. There are some liberals who still have liberal values (Joe Rogan, Tulsi Gabbard, Elon Musk... even Bill Maher), but they are being pushed out by progressive thought. I don't think this discussion you're having about conservatives is relative.

One of the reasons I am so frustrated with moderates is because they can't see what's happening to the party. That they are supporting a form of fascism and top-down rule because the left has gotten so good at creating boogeymen on the right. Elon Musk is not a conservative. Hell, Trump wasn't a conservative. These people are attacking establishment control of the narrative, and they do everything they can to bring them down. Moderates have to stop letting the left control the narrative, but I don't think they have the backbone to stick their necks out.