(01-11-2023, 02:51 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:

(01-11-2023, 02:20 PM)Bullseye Wrote: To think Ketchman actually argued we trade Trevor Lawrence.

He did?  Must’ve been before the Doug hire as an attempt at mercy for the kid.

I liked Vic and I miss his get off my lawn takes.  Oesher hasn’t come close to filling his shoes.  

One thing Vic said that I believed at the time but I’ve since found to be false is the extent to which coaching matters.  He said at one point that NFL coaches are interchangeable and that talent eventually wins out if not immediately.  I think you can throw Meyer out as “not an NFL coach” so I don’t mean to contrast him with Doug here as an example, but I’ve watched football long enough to see successful coaches like Doug change franchises and and still have success with new rosters.  One instance isn’t enough to make that argument, but I’ve seen similar instances like that enough to know that although coaching may not necessarily trump talent, it certainly has more impact than Vic suggested.

I think if I had to assign percentages, I came away from Vic thinking that 90% of what contributed to consistent winning teams was talent and the other 10% was coaching.  I think that’s probably more 70/30ish in reality though. And there aren’t 32 really good NFL head coaches so they aren’t, in fact, interchangeable.

Case in point regarding talent/coaching, Belichick is without question one of the greatest coaches ever and can’t at the moment overcome the talent deficit within his division, so talent clearly still matters a good bit.

Sorry to derail, but these thoughts had been on my mind recently with regards to Vic.

The argument against this is comparing Russ' season with Geno's.
Good coaching matters. Poor coaching matters.

I think a number of coaches are in that middling area where they are neither poor nor good, just good enough. Marrone would fit here, nothing special, no significant development of players, but no embarrassing levels of underpreparedness, either. They're fine if you are ok with treading water for a while, but don't expect a room full of lombardis when their time is done.

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(01-11-2023, 03:27 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: Broken teeth aside, there's a boatload of tickets for sale on the after market for this game. Hope we don't see a wave of charger fans show up for this game. We need to fill it up with Jags fans again.

Why would bolt fans want to pay not only for travel, but for seats to watch their team lose?

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(01-11-2023, 04:49 PM)scottyg Wrote:

(01-11-2023, 04:41 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: well anyone from the messege board if Jags beat the chargers do you have the guts to start a new catch pharse created by wolfie.  spotted kitty goes ROAR!!!!

Absolutely not.

The jaguaring of slogans (we still love ya, wolf)

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