(03-09-2023, 11:46 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(03-09-2023, 10:54 AM)Caldrac Wrote: It's an interesting war. It's a shame our Government is linked to it and providing support for it though. Ukraine and Russia are both guilty of corruption and both cannot be trusted in the grand scheme of things. Not a fan of Putin, for obvious reasons. I am also not a fan of Zelenskyy.

I can see why Russia is pushing back towards the West on this though. Whether we like it or not. Care to admit it or not. It's a fact. NATO and any country in bed with NATO, especially closer to the Eastern border are going to continue to be at risk and at odds with Russia and/or potentially China at some point if this keeps dragging out.

At some point a line had to be drawn in the sand. It's not Russia encroaching on us. It's NATO and our Government encroaching on them. Are we also going to continue like the nord stream pipeline was an acceptable measure taken in this conflict? With clearly our US agencies involved? It's a pretty [BLEEP] thing to do in general.

So when an independent country wants to align itself with the West, then it's okay for a neighboring country to invade them, level their cities, and slaughter their citizens?  Hitler found all sorts of excuses for invading other countries, just like Putin.  

Nato has never attacked anyone.  Nato is a defensive alliance.  Russia invading Ukraine is a great example of why so many countries want to join Nato.  And Russia invading Ukraine is causing the very thing the Russians say is a threat to them. 

Russia is wrong, and we are right to stand up to them on this.