(03-09-2023, 02:18 PM)Caldrac Wrote:

(03-09-2023, 11:46 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: So when an independent country wants to align itself with the West, then it's okay for a neighboring country to invade them, level their cities, and slaughter their citizens?  Hitler found all sorts of excuses for invading other countries, just like Putin.  

Nato has never attacked anyone.  Nato is a defensive alliance.  Russia invading Ukraine is a great example of why so many countries want to join Nato.  And Russia invading Ukraine is causing the very thing the Russians say is a threat to them. 

Russia is wrong, and we are right to stand up to them on this.

That's the problem right there, with war. There is no right or wrong. The west will cry the east is bad and the east will cry the west is bad. It's a two way street, Marty. 

It's rich to hear an American bring up Hitler knowing full well our own Government has done equally and just as bad [BLEEP] globally. Operation Paperclip pardoned a number of Hitler's boys, did you know that? We got NASA out of it. Look that [BLEEP] up.

Did you know American Industrialists funded both sides of the war? Did you know Ford motor company sued our Government and WON post WWII because we bombed their manufacturing plants during wartimes when they had their motors inside German military vehicles and tanks?

You don't find it a little odd that we have military bases dotted everywhere? Including in the east?

NATO is an arm and hammer awaiting it's opportunity to flex and strike. Just like we do. Just like any other formation or country does. Don't [BLEEP] yourself. If it was the other way around we would be begging for Biden to be an [BLEEP]. 

The West has been increasingly meddling in EVERYBODY's affairs. EVERYBODY's. South America, the Middle East, Africa, Western Europe, Eastern Europe. You name it. We've been there and done it. And we've left a handful of reminders in bases to [BLEEP] let you know. 

Easy for you to say.

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(03-09-2023, 12:38 PM)EricC85 Wrote: Agreed it's shocking to me how many people I see online siding with Russia as some last stand against a NWO. Seriously the guy in bed with China, Iran, and North Korea is your knight in shining armor?

Newsflash buddy. They're all in bed together. Including us "White Knights" over here. Everything is a rich man's trick. Don't care if you rock our flag or the China Red flag. We're all the same [BLEEP] heads at the end of the day. You keep swallowing that lunch meat though that the 5 O'clock news tells you that makes us so star spangled awesome.

Until we, the people, band together and overthrow this [BLEEP] political system here that we have? The whole world will remain at odds and we'll continue to be fear mongered with fear porn and threats of war every year. Just like our great grandparents, just like our grandparents, just like our parents, just like our friends and family members now.

Deep breath buddy we're not that far off but I think your buying into obvious Russian propaganda. I'm the first to quarm with the US government especially at the federal level. I'll go along with you down the rabbit hole on lots of stuff. Maybe we faked the moon landing, maybe 911 was an insider job, maybe Osama was a CIA asset, maybe the CIA killed Kennedy, and so on. That said there is undeniable evil in the world. China, Iran and North Korea represent some of the most oppressive and centralized authoritarian regimes since Hitler's Germany. IF you want to make the argument Putin is standing against the secret NWO the big bad guy in every conspiracy theory you loose all credibility when he gets in bed with the trio of authoritarian regimes. 

I've noticed my social media flooded with Russian propaganda, I've listened to the alt right talk shoes and podcast where many claim Putin is a moral Christian man restoring morality to the east. I don't buy it, not for a minute. So yea if I have to pick between the extremely flawed NATO and the United States or the BRICS countries I'll wrap my redneck [BLEEP] in the flag and cuddle up to uncle Sam until war time is over. Then we can go back to checking each other.

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