(03-28-2023, 04:49 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Look, let's cut the crap. Woke is a fairly nebulous term, and we could honestly be using it in different ways, but you should know by now what the right means when they say it. It's simply the obvious praxis part of critical theory. People who become acolytes for their progressive religion and then make EVERYTHING about their beliefs. It's funny why you moderates can't see this for what it is. It's no different than a "Christian" film that tries to go mainstream. The messaging is so in your face it's hard to care about the story. Woke is no different.

Messaging should be fairly subtle, even if still obvious. If the medium is ruined because the messaging takes priority over form, that's what most people can recognize as "woke." If it's supposed to be a commercial that's selling a product, but the message is diversity and not, mmm this [BLEEP] is delicious... then that's been ruined by woke. The only people who like that are already believers. Woke messaging is fairly obvious in the last 3 movies. In the first, it's the mary sueing of Rey, which may have had an explanation if done by a director who didn't intentionally state their desire to produce something with a different message, so I give it a pass. Rian Johnson flat out admitted he didn't care about the Star Wars cannon or galaxy. He wanted to tell his story. That's woke, broseph. You see it throughout the whole film... well you do if you're not a beta [bleep].

I don't remember anything distinctly progressive about the third, though JJ was in full damage control at that point.

Companies have a right to market their products however they want.  If you don't like them trying to make a feel good commercial about a gay family enjoying the product, don't buy the product.  That's petty, but it's your right.
Rian Johnson's story was weird and bad, but it wasn't woke.
Woke is, like you said, critical theory applied to the American legal framework. So the idea is that America's legal and economic system is totally compromised by the racism that was pervasive at the founding, and we must take drastic measures to realign it, the Civil War and the Civil rights movement didn't go nearly far enough, and working within the system will never be enough on its own. You simply do not find those themes in any Star Wars movie. Star Wars is about wars. The total breakdown of rule of law that is inherent to war makes questions about how the galactic legal system works and why totally irrelevant.

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