(03-28-2023, 09:35 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(03-28-2023, 08:43 PM)mikesez Wrote: Companies have a right to market their products however they want.  If you don't like them trying to make a feel good commercial about a gay family enjoying the product, don't buy the product.  That's petty, but it's your right.
Rian Johnson's story was weird and bad, but it wasn't woke.
Woke is, like you said, critical theory applied to the American legal framework. So the idea is that America's legal and economic system is totally compromised by the racism that was pervasive at the founding, and we must take drastic measures to realign it, the Civil War and the Civil rights movement didn't go nearly far enough, and working within the system will never be enough on its own.  You simply do not find those themes in any Star Wars movie.  Star Wars is about wars.  The total breakdown of rule of law that is inherent to war makes questions about how the galactic legal system works and why totally irrelevant.

No. That isn't woke. That's what they tell you woke is, but it's not how anyone uses it. No one started calling themselves "Woke" because they were applying critical race theory to the American legal framework, Mikey. Stop being such a rube. Woke, to a progressive, means being awakened to oppression of all minority groups and ACTIVELY working to undermine the traditional American ideals that support that system. Praxis. Praxis. Praxis. How many times do I have to say it. You can literally find quotes of Johnson speaking such jibberish. It's a religion. The conservatives I know don't understand the specifics of wokeness, but they can tell when someone is preaching to them, so you get a modified, simplified version of it. Your version is a strawman. Not playing that game.

As to companies marketing however, you're right when we have a true capitalist structure. We don't anymore. It's dumb to try to pretend we function in a free market. This type of advertising goes hand-in-hand with stakeholder capitalism. Use your company dollars to form the society you want to see. Their long-term vision looks different than others, and they'll force it down your throat and call you a bigot while doing it. That's woke. It's stupid. People do protest with their dollars, but it's just not as effective when every company has a parent company, and the ones at the highest rung aren't actually selling anything. You'd have to boycott almost everything. But, hey... you keep believing the dream they're selling you.

Yes, conservatives are naturally irritated and turned off by liberal preaching.  Nothing new. But you can't get more specific than that? Just liberal preaching?
And there are questionable choices in commercials and in star wars movies, but those choices aren't "preachy" like you say, are they? The gay couple in the insurance commercial isn't preaching at you, are they? The yacht scene in episode 8 was preachy as hell, sure, but it was pacifist, right? Is that what woke is? Preachy pacifism?

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(03-28-2023, 09:51 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: All I know is those last three movies sucked.

7 sucked as a stand alone movie, but it at least made me excited to see 8.
8 and 9 both had some really great scenes, but, yeah.  Absolutely no payoff,  no character development, no world building, none of the questions from 7 even close to answered.

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