(03-29-2023, 10:16 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(03-29-2023, 09:53 AM)mikesez Wrote: I agree with both of these posts. And I definitely don't like trying to control people with guilt.  And I don't agree with placing ideas above the realm of respectable debate.
But none of that was in any Star Wars movie!

Yes. It is. Rian Johnson talked about the message of identity, as well as Kathleen Kennedy. Here's one found after a minute of looking, "“But we have 50% of our executive team are women. And six out of eight of the people in my story group are women. And I’m sure there’s a lot of people that would be surprised that we’re making Star Wars movies and the majority of the people involved in the development of those stories are women.” Also going on to say that she wanted to make star wars for boys and girls, which isn't inherently wrong, but no one is trying to make Cinderella that way. Pushing the identity over the product is woke. They did do it in the last 3 films. You just can't acknowledge it.

She has even admitted to taking the fun out of star wars, and is making changes moving forward, which should be a good thing. The average person in this country doesn't whether or not there's a female lead. We want to see ourselves in stories. This is why "woke" people like it and the rest of us do not. The less you see yourself that way, the more noticeable it is.

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That's Kathleen Kennedy.

Obviously a lot of things went wrong at LucasFilm.
Obviously Kathleen Kennedy needs to check her own self; like many powerful women of her generation, she got where she is by marrying the right man, rather than any particular talent for the actual job.
Obviously she was promoted because of her identity, and obviously she promoted others because of theirs. The end product was just a committee document with no unifying theme other than meeting a deadline.  That speaks to a lack of leadership or of vision or both. 
But this is where we part ways.
There is no woke messaging in these films precisely because there is no messaging at all in these films.
And what little there is, is often repeated verbatim from the original trilogy.  Men felt things when Leia slapped Po in 8.  Was that misandrist woke messaging? Of course not.  Leia put Han in his place in episode 4, even saying the same words!

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