(06-13-2023, 11:27 PM)p_rushing Wrote:

(06-13-2023, 01:59 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Dan Abrams’ take on News Nation.

(06-13-2023, 02:31 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Interesting.

(06-13-2023, 04:36 PM)mikesez Wrote: Glad you posted this.  You'd laugh at these arguments if I made them.

The whole thing is wrong. It ignores article 2 and thinks the presidential records act has some authority over the sole person in charge of classification.

Everything was already decided in the Clinton sock drawer case. They are personal records now and Trump doesn't have to return them to anyone. Even the archivists have said they can't demand them back.

It doesn't matter that the FBI, DOJ, CIA, etc want docs back. Once they hit Trump's desk, they were his property, considered unclassified forever, and he can share them at any time in the future.

Again classification for the president is different from classification for everyone else. A doc can be classified and unclassified at the same time depending on who is looking at it.

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Why did he lie about having them?  Why didn't he just say, "those are mine."   Why did he say (and they have this on tape) "I could have declassified them but I didn't."  

Also, if the facts of the case are correct, that he kept top-secret documents related to a plan of attack on another country and our plan of defense if we are attacked, and kept those documents in his bathroom at Mar-A-Lago, and then casually showed those documents to other people, do you really think he should be President again after he did such an irresponsible thing?  

As for your reference to "The Clinton Sock Drawer Case," that case was about recordings Bill Clinton made with an interviewer when he was President.  Not the same thing as taking home classified documents.  And if you are saying anything he decides to take home is his, and no longer belongs to the government, that would mean any President can take home any top-secret document related to our national security and show them to anyone he wants.

Even if he wants to make the case that anything he takes home is automatically his, he defied a subpoena and lied to law enforcement, and that is obstruction of justice, which might be the strongest part of the case against him.  He is also accused of instructing an employee to hide the documents and lie about them, and that is conspiracy.

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