(06-14-2023, 09:56 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:

(06-14-2023, 09:10 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: I would temper that a bit.  He's probably better than Brady at this stage in their careers, but highly highly unlikely he or anyone else accomplishes what Brady did in the entirety of his career.  And carrying them since day 1?  I don't know.  He stepped into a roster with Kelce and Tyreek.  Brady had Troy Brown and Deion Branch. There is a chasm of difference in talent between those receiving groups considering both Kelce and Tyreek are also headed to the Hall and Tyreek left and is still one of the best receivers in the game.  Branch became a nobody when he left.  No, Mahomes wasn't carrying them.  They were collectively great from his onset. 

Putting the Pats early success under Brady all on the Defense is a bit revisionist as well.  I don't remember anyone suggesting such a thing at the time, nor did I look at Brady and have any "Yeah, but..." type of thoughts.  Everyone at the time thought the two best QBs in the league were Brady and Manning.  The debate at the time that has since been put to bed was Manning was better but didn't have the supporting cast. Manning had much better weapons overall during his career than Brady did though.

Pats first SB. Brady threw for 145 yards and a TD.
2nd SB he played great with 300 yards and 3 TDs.
3rd SB. 236 and 2 TDs.

This is an average of 227 yards passing and 2 TDs. It wasn't until his 8th season that things really started to take off for him in terms of stats and passing numbers. He certainly won a lot of games but I don't think it was because of the passing game.

Brady is currently the GOAT but here's how I (personally) determine who is the best. If you take every single NFL player of all time. Throw them in a draft. Who do you take #1? For me, it's Mahomes. He does everything at an elite level. He can play in any offense, can make every throw, can scramble if he needs to, he's clutch and he has the ability to make everyone around him better.