(06-14-2023, 09:10 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:

(06-14-2023, 08:04 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: He’s better than Brady.

Brady didn’t carry the Pats in the early years. That was all defense and Belicheck. Mahomes been carrying them since day 1.

I would temper that a bit.  He's probably better than Brady at this stage in their careers, but highly highly unlikely he or anyone else accomplishes what Brady did in the entirety of his career.  And carrying them since day 1?  I don't know.  He stepped into a roster with Kelce and Tyreek.  Brady had Troy Brown and Deion Branch. There is a chasm of difference in talent between those receiving groups considering both Kelce and Tyreek are also headed to the Hall and Tyreek left and is still one of the best receivers in the game.  Branch became a nobody when he left.  No, Mahomes wasn't carrying them.  They were collectively great from his onset. 

Putting the Pats early success under Brady all on the Defense is a bit revisionist as well.  I don't remember anyone suggesting such a thing at the time, nor did I look at Brady and have any "Yeah, but..." type of thoughts.  Everyone at the time thought the two best QBs in the league were Brady and Manning.  The debate at the time that has since been put to bed was Manning was better but didn't have the supporting cast. Manning had much better weapons overall during his career than Brady did though.

No I 100% agree he's a better player than Brady was at any point, but still gotta give Brady his dues considering the acomplishments.. However barring a major injury/fall off i'd be shocked if Pat didn't end his career with similar achievements, and likely far better numbers.

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(06-14-2023, 09:10 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:

(06-14-2023, 08:04 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: He’s better than Brady.

Brady didn’t carry the Pats in the early years. That was all defense and Belicheck. Mahomes been carrying them since day 1.

I would temper that a bit.  He's probably better than Brady at this stage in their careers, but highly highly unlikely he or anyone else accomplishes what Brady did in the entirety of his career.  And carrying them since day 1?  I don't know.  He stepped into a roster with Kelce and Tyreek.  Brady had Troy Brown and Deion Branch. There is a chasm of difference in talent between those receiving groups considering both Kelce and Tyreek are also headed to the Hall and Tyreek left and is still one of the best receivers in the game.  Branch became a nobody when he left.  No, Mahomes wasn't carrying them.  They were collectively great from his onset. 

Putting the Pats early success under Brady all on the Defense is a bit revisionist as well.  I don't remember anyone suggesting such a thing at the time, nor did I look at Brady and have any "Yeah, but..." type of thoughts.  Everyone at the time thought the two best QBs in the league were Brady and Manning.  The debate at the time that has since been put to bed was Manning was better but didn't have the supporting cast. Manning had much better weapons overall during his career than Brady did though.

I disagree, I think outside of Bradys SB wins/playoff success i'd argue to say the majority of fans thought of Peyton as the better overall quarterback for the majority of their time in the league together. Brady however in the final stretch of his career kinda put that to bed with how successful he was at the end.


And with that being said, I'm pretty sure since Mahomes first year or maybe midway through his second.. He was undoubtedly the most gifted passer we've ever seen.

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