(06-16-2023, 10:39 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(06-16-2023, 10:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: After 4 years of him being President, his supporters still complain about the "swamp" just as much as before, so it seems like they would find a candidate who can actually accomplish something in the regard other than just talk about it.  

Of course, anyone with a brain knows the truth.  Trump is just full of [BLEEP].

It seems to me that Trump's remaining supporters have the same definition for "swamp" that he has. "People I don't like, people who say negative things about me or about people I like."
It isn't an actionable definition.
But it is unifying.  They all get to imagine that they hate the same types of people even though they don't. 

Maybe someone can prove me wrong.  Suppose we have two career DoJ officials in front of us.  Which one is so deeply entrenched in "swamp life" that they need to be fired, and which can be retrained? How can you tell? What retraining do you offer the remaining one?

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(06-16-2023, 10:35 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: You want to blame both sides (no surprise), but it is solidly the left that doesn't debate in good faith.  They instead resort to, among other things, political theater and supporting measures, both legal and illegal, that accelerate changes in demographics to that which leans permanently leftward.  In other words, by any means necessary.  There's not really any coming to the table with that.  They need to be defeated, soundly, but their grip on the education system will probably prevent that from ever happening.

Sorry brother.
Not enough people agree with you to give that side the support they need to implement their vision.
In fact, many would construe what you just said as a racist dog whistle, so they wouldn't remain neutral but rather they would fight you out of righteous indignation.
So trying to win the way you want to win is only going to dig the hole deeper.
You need to judo flip this whole thing.
We all do.