(06-16-2023, 03:13 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: This conversation isn't productive. The conservatives on this board are not wrong about their assessment of the deep state. It's unelected bureaucrats who make policies on behalf of large corporations in the form of giant omnibus bills that nobody reads. Marty and Mikey aren't wrong in that Trump was ill-equipped to stop them. That said, who is? It's a nigh impossible task. Trump has exposed it through sheer stubbornness, which should be a boon to the entire nation if moderate and independents could properly fixate their ire. Until the majority of us fall in line and start putting our foot down, this corruption will not end. Is Trump the man to do it? I'm not sure. He's Toto, though. He's pulling back the curtain. Conservatives are going through an eye-opening of sorts. Until the Mikey's and Marty's start seeing it, we need more Trumps. Not less.

(06-16-2023, 03:24 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: And that's all I want from my elected officials.. To pull back the curtain and show the people what's really going on. Until that happens, we'll always be tribalistic with our affiliated parties. No one side can trust the other as both sides have been criminal. Trump may be an unpopular candidate on this board, but he's the only one that started to pull back that curtain of deceitfulness.

Agreed with these.

Trump isn't a perfect candidate for me and I wish there were other options but there haven't been for a long time. What happened to the tea party? It disappeared because the RINOs have control of everything. How does Trump get rid of the swamp? He literally couldn't because the elected and unelected swamp controlled all the power.

Who controls judges, cabinet, regulations, laws, etc? It's congress and the national committee controls who gets money and backing. The local elections and committees control who can even run and be elected for congress. If the national and local levels are all controlled, how do you expect the swamp to be drained?

Look at the Republicans who never do anything when they have both houses but then push through a ton of bills that do nothing when they have one side. When they have power to actually do something, they are always the ones to compromise and give in. The leadership in both the house and senate just screams out of touch with the voters and just looking to keep themselves in power and making money.

Trump failed many times and continued to have to use the swamp in his cabinet, leadership positions, judges, lawyers, etc. He did a great job exposing it though and things have changed the last 2 years. Local elections are removing the RINOs, neocons, etc and people are standing up to corporations and the government. It's no where near enough though without some further help. Other than slowing it, I think it's a losing battle even if Trump isn't cheated out of 2024. They protect their own and occasionally they offer up someone if needed to quiet the movement.

There's only 2 things I see being able to change things. The issues with missing kids around the world are released, and people see what the people in power are doing or protecting. That could remove a huge chunk of them and clean out DC. The only other option is the Q stuff is real and somehow they will be able to clean it all up.

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