(06-17-2023, 06:40 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(06-16-2023, 03:13 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: This conversation isn't productive. The conservatives on this board are not wrong about their assessment of the deep state. It's unelected bureaucrats who make policies on behalf of large corporations in the form of giant omnibus bills that nobody reads. Marty and Mikey aren't wrong in that Trump was ill-equipped to stop them. That said, who is? It's a nigh impossible task. Trump has exposed it through sheer stubbornness, which should be a boon to the entire nation if moderate and independents could properly fixate their ire. Until the majority of us fall in line and start putting our foot down, this corruption will not end. Is Trump the man to do it? I'm not sure. He's Toto, though. He's pulling back the curtain. Conservatives are going through an eye-opening of sorts. Until the Mikey's and Marty's start seeing it, we need more Trumps. Not less.

I am seeing it.
What did you think of the DeSantis car dealership bill?
Are you seeing it?

The car dealership bill is multi layered but being made a simple talking point by democrats to attack DeSantis. I think it's HB-67 or something like that but allow me to point a few things out after spending my entire life working in this industry. 

For starters I'm not a dealership guy, never worked in a dealership, always in direct competition with their service departments. So let's get the well your part of the system argument out of the way, for me it would be massively beneficial for direct to consumer sales to eliminate dealerships. 

Now for this bill let's establish what it does and does not do. It creates a restrictions on established manufactures from competing with already paid for and established franchises. Your local Ford dealership is not owned and operated by the Ford motor company. There is a movement after Tesla for manufactures to undercut franchise holders and sell direct to consumers. Hb-67 says if your an auto manufacture and you already sold franchises you can't compete with them as a supplier and seller. Tesla however has never established or sold franchises rights that's why they are exempt to this law. So yes Ford can not sell you their F-150 and cut out the dealer who already paid millions to have a franchise right, that's not different then any other franchise law established for any other industry. 

As for is this good for the consumer, it's a double edged sword. Yes you'll get a cheaper price if you cut out the middle man. However if you've ever owned a vehicle with a major recall or defect imagine trying to get that fixed without dealerships. Kia is in the process of warranting out thousands of engines in the 1.5 and 2.0 if there was no Kia dealership private shops would be flooded with this work. And guess what there is no way in hell I would do those jobs for warranty rates Kia wants to pay. I'd absolutely charge you the consumer whatever I wanted and tell you go fight with Kia for your money but you gotta pay me. Dealers are required by franchise law to go honor manufacture warranties saving the consumer untold hours of headaches and dollars. 

Without dealerships you'd have a different used car market. Ever go to those independent used car dealerships? Buy here pay here types that's the real snake oil salesman. Warranties from third parties are as solid as wet toilet paper. Just another benefit to consider when advocating eliminating dealerships. 

Finally your talking about millions of jobs, so yes politicians are inclined to support legislation protecting millions of jobs in a major industry. Its not perfect but it's governing within the system we have now. Hardly makes DeSantis an establishment man or swamp creature.

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