(07-08-2023, 08:36 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(07-08-2023, 12:00 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I will put my cards on the table: If Ukraine wins this war and gets all of their territory back as claimed by Zelensky, I will concede that Russia an overrated "super" power and start looking forward to Putin's imminent death from the terminal cancer. I will concede that our media is more on the up and up than I realize, and that maybe I need to reconsider my doubts about the role our elites play in manipulating the general populace.

However, If Russia wins this, coming out with a favorable treaty... considering ALL the money we've sent to Ukraine.... considering ALL the intelligence we've given Ukraine... considering, now, the weapons we're giving Ukraine... will you mainstream media consumers admit you have been lied to about Russian capabilities and possibly bring yourselves to admit that our media lacks any integrity which results in you being ignorant to the happenings around you?

Who says we've given Ukraine anything at all? The media? I though you didn't trust them.