(07-08-2023, 07:07 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: So, just out of curiosity, if everything is going according to plan, why would it be difficult for you or Mikey to admit you might be being lied to on a massive scale if Russia comes out on top?

I wouldnt claim everything is going to plan.  I take what Marty posted with a grain of salt.
Thanks to NATO, Ukraine will not lack for weapons in the foreseeable future.  But they may start to lack in men, and in the stamina of the men they have.  I would not hazard a prediction of how this ends.  I hope it ends with Putin exiled to Teheran or Beijing, but that's just hope.

No one disputes the following:
Russia has lost a lot of men and a lot of material for very very little territorial gain. 
NATO's actions have drastically weakened Russia. Potentially this will embolden countries like Moldova or Uzbekistan to get out from under Russia's shadow. Maybe.
Ukraine has also lost a lot of men and material, and that's a tragedy.
Beyond that I don't claim to know much of anything.  There are many liars out there.

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