(07-12-2023, 10:54 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(07-12-2023, 10:27 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Ah, I think I remember that now. I knew I was picking up condescension, but I assumed it was a term invented by the left. Makes sense in that light, but it's been used a lot these last few days, so it kind of feels like a buzzword. Regardless of its origin, facts are only useful within context. Omission of facts is the same as lying. The problem I have with most of my lefty friends is that their media group is SO good at leaving out facts. However, unlike the right (who has the same problem), the left has a stranglehold on frequency illusion due to their diverse capture of media. The right has one or two large stations that repeat propaganda over and over, but the left, you see the same propaganda from many different sources, leading people to believe there is a much bigger consensus than there really is.

I am 100% certain I could find a conservative takedown of Ted Lieu's speech. Don't care to, but I'm certain of it. Even if all of the "facts" were correct in said takedown, it wouldn't take away anyone's sense of feeling that their side is correct because they can find more examples of it. I'd be tempted to look at his "facts" more closely to break it down, but it seems exhausting to do for something I don't care about.

The people Lieu listed were a mixed bag.  Some of them, like Cohen and Stone, were convicted of hiding Trump's activities from investigators.  They perhaps hadn't done anything wrong until they started working for Trump.
Others, like Manafort, pretty clearly were already criminals before Trump came around, and they inserted themselves into Trump's orbit to get favors.

None of it really proves that Trump did anything illegal, but the large number of examples proves that Trump is a very poor manager of people, and a very poor judge of character.

Add to that the mile-long list of people Trump hired for top positions, what he said about them when he hired them, and what he said about them when they left, which was the complete opposite of what he said about them when he hired them, and that just reinforces the fact that he is incompetent.  Because according to him, he hired a steady string of stupid and incompetent people.

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