(07-12-2023, 07:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I sure am glad none of my political views are leading me down a path of trying to diminish the integrity of "truth" and "facts" like so many on the right these days. It must be exhausting trying to spin that [BLEEP].

Instead I merely have to eschew baseless conspiracy theories, lies, and propaganda. Which are currently ever-present and easy to dismiss with well, you know, facts.

We could go on for days listing all the despicable things Trump has done over the past ten years, but I think the most deplorable thing of them all was that he campaigned so hard to convince 10's of millions of conservative voters that facts and truth don't matter and they could simply adopt "alternate facts" which he had by the boatload, ready to serve up.

(07-12-2023, 10:27 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Ah, I think I remember that now. I knew I was picking up condescension, but I assumed it was a term invented by the left. Makes sense in that light, but it's been used a lot these last few days, so it kind of feels like a buzzword. Regardless of its origin, facts are only useful within context. Omission of facts is the same as lying. The problem I have with most of my lefty friends is that their media group is SO good at leaving out facts. However, unlike the right (who has the same problem), the left has a stranglehold on frequency illusion due to their diverse capture of media. The right has one or two large stations that repeat propaganda over and over, but the left, you see the same propaganda from many different sources, leading people to believe there is a much bigger consensus than there really is.

I am 100% certain I could find a conservative takedown of Ted Lieu's speech. Don't care to, but I'm certain of it. Even if all of the "facts" were correct in said takedown, it wouldn't take away anyone's sense of feeling that their side is correct because they can find more examples of it. I'd be tempted to look at his "facts" more closely to break it down, but it seems exhausting to do for something I don't care about.