(08-25-2023, 11:25 AM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(08-24-2023, 09:51 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Nikki is an establishment moderate. Nothing will change with her at the helm. Only the messaging. Mike Pence and Chris Christie need to drop out. They aren't serious contenders. They are there as obstacles to Trump, which, ironically, only gives Trump a bigger voice as they drown out his competitors. DeSantis did ok. He needs more time to talk. Tim Scott is ok. Needs more time to talk. The other two governors need to drop out. They are old and boring. Vivek is an outsider. He will be labeled as crazy by the establishment MSM, but he has some fresh ideas, youthful energy, and a vision for a united America. He's the only Republican I see reaching across the aisle to minorities and speaking on liberal and progressive platforms.

If you could narrow this field to Haley, Scott, DeSantis, and Vivek, you could have a more informative debate on real issues. Not that it matters. Unless we end with an establishment Republican who will do the bidding of our corporate overlords, they aren't winning this election.

I finally watched it last night.  I 100% agree with the part in bold.  My order of preference would be:

DeSantis
Haley
Scott
Vivek

The other four really need to drop out.

Christie shouldn't drop out.  Someone needs to continue to point out how insane it is to continue support Trump until the other candidates and the other voters finally get it.  If Nikki Haley or Pence hadn't raised their hands to be willing to support Trump, then Christie wouldn't be needed anymore, but as of now his participation is critical.

DeSantis had literally nothing to say.  Avoided every question and spoke out of both sides of his mouth.  And he wasn't even charismatic while he did it.  If you want illogical nonsense, Vivek does it better.  Ideally neither would be on the stage though, because ideally all of the candidates would acknowledge facts and use logic to explain their opinions.

Scott's personality came off very weak, and Pence's came off very old fashioned.  That squinty eyed look into your soul thing worked for Bush 43 but it's not going to work in 2024.  Pence told us that Trump asked him to violate the constitution.  It's good we know that now, but he has nothing else of value to tell us, I don't think.  Scott deserves another chance, but I think we've seen enough of Pence in the last 7 years.

I'd keep 
Haley
Christie
Scott
Vivek (for the lols)

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