(08-25-2023, 11:00 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(08-25-2023, 09:27 PM)Caldrac Wrote: You sure about that? The left has a lot of holes to fill. I think you're fixing to have your feelings hurt once the polls start coming in and the voting starts. Biden has [BLEEP] fallen off a cliff. Along with the rest of that social engineering party. There's nobody over there right now to get behind and support. He really is all you have. And that should be [BLEEP] terrifying if you're a loyalist to the left. 

You could maybe make a case for RFK. Maybe. His ideology though completely bucks the traditional beliefs of going along with the flow, taking the jab, complying to protocols, etc. Not sure if that's something the left crowd really wants to get behind. Who else do you have over there? Just curious.

I really don't care either way about Biden or the Democrats.  I see them as a superior alternative to Trump because they speak and understand the language of constitutional order, but other than that I don't care about them.
In the unlikely event that Trump beats Biden in 2024, I'll try not to be too mad about it.  Trump will face the same problems he had in his first term.  He will try to upend the entire constitutional order but he will fail because even if one of the people he appoints actually follows his directions, Trump will change his mind next news cycle and throw that guy under the bus anyhow.
Before January 6 I was sure that Trump would ultimately try to overturn the constitution when it got in his way, and I was truly scared that the people and the military would let him.
After January 6 I know that Trump did all he could to overturn the constitution and I know he will try again if the opportunity comes to him, but I have more confidence that the majority of the people and the majority of the military will not go along with it.  But I would rather not see it happen.

How is Biden and the Democratic party a superior alternative to Trump? You're just going to rest that statement on "because they speak and understand the language of constitutional order"?

Listen, just because Trump's the first President to get dragged out publicly and placed in a mugshot does not mean any of the past presidents, or rather, current president, gives two [BLEEP] about following constitutional order. A lot of these administrations over the years have clearly shown their lack of care for constitutional order with a wide variety of laws broken. Domestically and internationally. 

They just have the luxury of having the right donors and lobbyists in place to keep their [BLEEP] from being hung out to dry for the whole world to see. That's the only thing they're superior at. Using doublespeak and double standards while we're all beholden to the laws they put into place to begin with. 

Does Trump deserve a pass? No. However, to completely ignore the vast, vast historical levels and depths of hypocrisy, rules for thee and not for me policies, the backstabbing on the American people with laws being infringed upon, manipulated, hidden in pages that would make the heaviest books known to man blush in envy, etc. 

I would rather see the nonsense upfront and hear it outright. I would rather not see these psychopaths and their sycophants continue to operate openly as if they're squeaky [BLEEP] clean when we all know they've [BLEEP] the bed and have been festering in it for decades now. 

Goes back to my third party argument. It has to happen at some point. The fact that you had to cite two points in our timeline, going all the way back to the 1800's is precisely why it needs to happen. This two party nonsense is not working and has not been working properly for the people now in at least my 35 years of existence. And to continue down this path is suicide.

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