(08-28-2023, 08:05 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: No, dude. You don't get to say that Presidents don't do this, then try to differentiate when I point out that this is EXACTLY how Obama cut his teeth. It's a skill. Obama was pretty good at it, but he was at least articulate and judicious about it. Even still, he was a trained community organizer. The right has NOTHING like it. It's supported by academia, people are trained and sent out, to stir up dissent in destitute communities for the sole purpose of expanding the power of the Democrats. It's institutionalized and intentional manufactured outrage. MOST of the democratic elites are trained in it. And, most importantly as it pertains to this discussion, we know for a fact that a Democratic President has absolutely dabbled in it. To attempt to quibble over the amount is just moving the goal posts.

I have no problem saying the right is great at rhetoric and happily demagogues their opponents, but it's NOTHING like what the left is doing in these communities.

1) the communities in question are actually disadvantaged and have actual grievances.  The grievances aren't manufactured.  They are already there.  They just need to be, wait for it, organized.

2) I said from the beginning that the lower level operatives on the left do this kind of thing while the higher level ones maintain arms length distance from it.  The fact that Obama started in this area then stopped as he went up the ladder proves the point I was originally making.

3) we still haven't established (and may never establish, given our different perspectives) if Obama was one of the good ones or bad ones.  Not all community organizers are bad.  I haven't really seen or read anything from that time period.

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