(09-09-2023, 01:18 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:

(09-09-2023, 12:53 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
Every offense in the modern NFL needs two TEs and most systems utilize one as the F and one as the Y. 

Doug is no different - he just made better use of his tight ends than others in the past because he had two good ones for a time,  and he didn't have the wealth of riches at receiver that other teams had. 

You should note that he did not involve Goedert heavily in his passing game in his rookie year. As a rookie he averaged 2.75 targets per game and contributed 334 yards of production to the team. 

That's just a few more targets on the season than what we saw Doug give to Jamal Agnew last year. 
No shock if we see Strange get something less or similar to that opportunity this year. 

Also important to remember Doug only had one good receiver in the two seasons that he went TE-heavy with his passing targets. The fact that it was only two seasons is a bit telling as well. 

This narrative that Pederson needs/wants his TEs to be some focal point of his offense is overstated and somewhat inaccurate IMO.   I hope he is able to capitalize on having more talent at the position this year, but I believe him when he says that he plans for every team he coaches differently according to their strengths and weaknesses. 
(weekly opponents as well) 
I also believe this 2023 Jags team is not the 2019 Eagles - so he won't try to force Engram and Strange into being what Ertz and Goedert were to a team that had only Alshon Jeffrey for 2/3's of the season and no one else to throw to BUT the tight ends.

Every team needs more than 2 TEs.  I think every team in the league has more than 2 TEs on their roster.  With that said  some teams and some play callers like to utilize TEs more than others and and Doug is one of those guys as he is right out of the Andy Reid coaching tree.  Kelce was out the other night but Reid still used his TEs like always.  TEs has always been a focal point for his offenses, it's nothing new and I don't think it will change.  If it was he wouldn't make TE such a priority.  On top of that Trevor has always liked to use his TEs so it's a perfect match.  It's also one of the reason Engram came here and he has mentioned it before as this was the perfect place for him because of how Doug likes to use his TE's.  Dougs offense is very TE friendly if you haven't realized that yet.  Doug isn't going to force Engram and Strange into anything he's just going to run his offense like he always has.

Way to spectacularly miss the point. 

I wasn't talking about roster numbers, but the primary sets of the 11 men on the field. Thought that would be obvious. 

Doug's Philly teams didn't have Ridley/Kirk/Jones at their disposal. They had one good receiver (who missed lots of games) + Ertz and a counterpart TE whether it was Celek, Burton or Goedert. And it was only two of the 4 years in Philly where he really leaned hard on the TE targets and production. 

You can pretend like it's some intrinsic thing with his offense every year, but it isn't. He said himself - every team he coaches is different than the one he coached the year before and he designs the offense around that. You clearly don't want to take the man at his word. 

The 2019 and 2020 Eagles didn't have the receivers that this Jags squad has and it will make a big difference in TE production compared to those Eagles teams. 

Sure, your boy Strange is gonna get looks and it is awesome we finally have a Y tight end who can both block and catch. But every single OC/HC strive to have that on their team.  
This isn't unique to Doug and it doesn't signal some tectonic shift wherein we suddenly turn into the 2019 eagles and throw 160 times to Engram and Strange.  I'd bet those two see 120 targets shared between them this year, tops. Likely a good bit less. 

Way too many weapons to utilize for the Jags , unlike the teams you are thinking off when you attempt to paint Pederson as a TE reliant play caller. I don't think that's accurate at all. That was simply Doug using what he had available to him in Philly. 

If you run down the list of 32 head coaches in the league - I bet 20 of them hound their GMs to get them a good F tight end and a good Y tight end just as much as Doug Pederson does. It's not unique to his methodology IMO.

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