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Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax


(09-14-2023, 04:13 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(09-14-2023, 03:09 PM)carp8dm Wrote: The thing I kept thinking to myself last week was how much the route running of our receivers didn't look anything like what we saw last year. 

Last year, there were crossing routes, there were 3 tiered level options for Trevor, and there was misdirection on at least down per sequence.  On top of that, I don't remember ever being able to predict a run/run/Pass sequence in 2022.  And even more concerning, in the first quarter, we saw a bubble screen that was blown up.  And then on 4th and short in the 2nd half we saw a similar bubble screen that was blown up.  Oh and don't get me started on the 3rd and 3 QB sneak, whether it was an audible or an actual play call matters not.  If at any point the OC had ingrained into Trevor Lawrence that a 3rd and long 2 is a perfectly fine time to audible to a QB dive, that OC is suspect.  If the OC called that QB dive on 3rd and a long 2?  That's gotta be something to be concerned about.

So on to KC.  A dynamic QB, a HC that is on par with our HC.  An offense that is getting back their best receiver.  A defense that is getting back their best pass rusher at a time when our O-Line is getting more and more knicked up...  It's gonna be a tough game to win. 

Our QB has to keep up with KC's offense.  It's a tough ask.  But I think we match up pretty evenly with these guys.  Our receivers are just as good if not better than theirs.  Our TE is maybe a tier lower, but our QB has better slot and wide outs. So long as the play calling is more like last year and less conservative like last week, we can keep it close into the 4th quarter.  If we keep it close, the home field advantage can get us the win.

Oh, and Jawaan Taylor...  His [BLEEP] needs to be called out.  If they force him to actually play on the line and not false start, we have a really good chance to be defensively competent.

It's one game

They now have a guy who can play X at a high level and Trevor was excited to feed him. 

They game plan differently every week 

You're reading way too much into it. It's the same offense with another premium target and hopefully a better spellback. They didn't re-write the playbook. They simply game planned for the colts differently than your preconceived notion based on how you think they did it last year. 

Just to show you how wrong you are with your run/run/pass misanalysis: 

Jags drive balance:
series one

PASS
PASS 
PASS

series two
RUN
PASS
RPO
PASS
PASS
RUN
GADGET TOSS 
PASS 
PASS (TD)

series three
RUN (8 yds)
PASS
RUN
PASS (tipped INT)

series four

RUN
RUN 
RUN

series five

PASS
RUN
RUN (1ST DOWN)
RUN
PASS
GADGET TOSS
PASS (TD) 

series 6

PASS
RUN
PASS
PASS
RUN
PASS (sacked on pass attempt)

series 7

RUN
PASS
PASS

OK - hopefully you are beginning to see the balance and how wrong your analysis is. 
They also had pre snap movement on 20-30% of the plays I just scrolled through in the first half.

Yes.  It was one game.  I'm hoping that this game was conservative because we are saving our real game plan for KC...  But let's not act like this game plan was good.  It wasn't.  Telling me that there were "PASS PASS RUN" instead of "run, run, pass" means nothing, if you are being honest.  The Play calling in the 2nd and 3rd quarters were bad.  Period.  It was easy to sniff out, and if you don't believe that, then I'm not sure you were actually watching the game.  

Again, where were the route concepts from last year????  The entire game was devoid of all the routes that cooked defenses last year.  It was as if they were purposely playing a vanilla game.  If you didn't recognize that, then maybe you weren't really watching last year?

I'm not sure why you think your analysis of the conservative play calling blows up my critique when you give the most basic analysis while not providing the full description of how those "pass" plays were not conservative and easy to defend.   A pass that is behind the line of scrimmage isn't really a pass, is it?  A run play when the colts are stacking the box is a bad play call, isn't it?  

Do you really think that the 3rd Quarter was a well called quarter???  If you actually watched the game, the First Quarter looked pretty solid, though I would also say that our QB was a bit too focused on throwing to Ridley when Kirk was open in the slot a couple times.  But the end of 2nd and all of the 3rd Quarter, in terms of offensive play calling was not good.   

The game was the game.  We out classed the clots.  But the game was close because our offense was conservative and unlike what we saw in 2022.  We pulled away in the 4th quarter when the defense helped us get better field position.  The offensive line hurt Trevor and the entire 3rd quarter was a [BLEEP] show of conservative play calling in order to protect the QB.   

Just because a play call is "PASS", if the "PASS" is a 3 step drop and quick release just 3 yards from the LOS, it may as well be a run play.  And in the 3rd quarter, all those "PASS" plays were squashed because the play calling was soft.  But I'm sure you know better than me why that was.  Either way, the play calling was crap for about 30 minutes.  There's no way you can say otherwise.

We won the game, and that is all that matters.  I'm not down on any of our players.  But the offensive play calling and the route concepts we say in week one were not similar to what we saw last year.  You know it.  I know it.  And it's a concern.
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Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-10-2023, 05:35 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by RicoTx - 09-10-2023, 05:36 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Cleatwood - 09-10-2023, 05:41 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-10-2023, 05:42 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-10-2023, 05:40 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by MojoKing - 09-10-2023, 05:47 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-10-2023, 05:51 PM
Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-10-2023, 08:11 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-10-2023, 08:23 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jaguar Warrior - 09-10-2023, 08:24 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by MojoKing - 09-10-2023, 08:35 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by EricC85 - 09-10-2023, 10:58 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by MarleyJag - 09-11-2023, 04:30 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by jagsfan06 - 09-10-2023, 08:30 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-10-2023, 08:47 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by StrayaJag - 09-11-2023, 03:45 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-11-2023, 10:10 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-11-2023, 10:44 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-10-2023, 08:32 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by JagsFanSince95 - 09-11-2023, 10:48 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by iHaunting Raven - 09-10-2023, 08:54 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by JaguarJosh2 - 09-11-2023, 04:19 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by imtheblkranger - 09-11-2023, 09:40 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-11-2023, 11:16 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by imtheblkranger - 09-11-2023, 11:31 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by JW - 09-11-2023, 01:13 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Khan Artist - 09-11-2023, 01:43 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jaguarmeister - 09-11-2023, 01:59 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Cleatwood - 09-11-2023, 02:02 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-11-2023, 03:02 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jaguarmeister - 09-11-2023, 03:47 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-11-2023, 07:46 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by TheDuke007 - 09-11-2023, 08:41 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jaguarmeister - 09-11-2023, 05:14 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Mikey - 09-12-2023, 08:44 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-11-2023, 05:23 PM
Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-11-2023, 05:25 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jaguarmeister - 09-11-2023, 06:18 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-11-2023, 05:31 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-11-2023, 05:41 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jags32250 - 09-11-2023, 08:54 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jagulars - 09-11-2023, 05:55 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-11-2023, 06:07 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-11-2023, 06:18 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-11-2023, 06:56 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by jagsfan06 - 09-11-2023, 07:07 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by StrayaJag - 09-11-2023, 07:14 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by jaglou53 - 09-11-2023, 10:17 PM
Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by p_rushing - 09-11-2023, 10:50 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jaguar Warrior - 09-11-2023, 11:40 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by JaguarJosh2 - 09-12-2023, 01:38 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by MarleyJag - 09-12-2023, 06:31 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by JagFan81 - 09-12-2023, 09:01 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Cleatwood - 09-12-2023, 09:02 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-12-2023, 09:16 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-12-2023, 10:54 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jaguarmeister - 09-12-2023, 11:02 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Mikey - 09-13-2023, 08:38 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-12-2023, 09:44 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-12-2023, 11:08 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-12-2023, 11:40 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-12-2023, 12:55 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jaguarmeister - 09-12-2023, 01:24 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Mowerguy - 09-12-2023, 12:02 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by AlsJagsFan - 09-12-2023, 04:26 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by icey14 - 09-12-2023, 04:46 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag88 - 09-12-2023, 07:05 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-12-2023, 07:23 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-12-2023, 08:21 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jaguar Warrior - 09-12-2023, 08:35 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by OzJohnnie - 09-13-2023, 02:10 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by StrayaJag - 09-12-2023, 09:18 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Mikey - 09-13-2023, 10:24 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-13-2023, 10:58 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by JaguarJosh2 - 09-13-2023, 06:36 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-13-2023, 08:44 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-13-2023, 09:04 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flsprtsgod - 09-13-2023, 11:34 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by homebiscuit - 09-13-2023, 09:54 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-13-2023, 11:29 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-13-2023, 11:35 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-13-2023, 11:52 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-13-2023, 01:04 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-13-2023, 01:42 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jags32250 - 09-13-2023, 12:50 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-13-2023, 01:52 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by The Real Marty - 09-13-2023, 02:06 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-13-2023, 03:27 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Mikey - 09-14-2023, 08:45 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-13-2023, 02:07 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by OG-JAGFAN - 09-13-2023, 09:47 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by StrayaJag - 09-13-2023, 04:21 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-13-2023, 04:43 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-13-2023, 04:53 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by JaguarJosh2 - 09-13-2023, 11:16 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-13-2023, 07:05 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by MojoKing - 09-13-2023, 07:21 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-14-2023, 08:23 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by SamusAranX - 09-13-2023, 09:02 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by MarleyJag - 09-14-2023, 06:45 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-14-2023, 09:57 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by MarleyJag - 09-14-2023, 10:23 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Mikey - 09-15-2023, 08:07 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-13-2023, 10:02 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by JaguarJosh2 - 09-14-2023, 07:57 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by RicoTx - 09-14-2023, 09:15 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by homebiscuit - 09-14-2023, 08:34 AM
homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 09-14-2023, 09:10 AM
RE: homebiscuit - by Jagwired - 09-14-2023, 09:22 AM
RE: homebiscuit - by Jaguarmeister - 09-14-2023, 12:29 PM
homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 09-14-2023, 10:33 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by jaglou53 - 09-14-2023, 01:51 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-14-2023, 02:34 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by carp8dm - 09-14-2023, 03:09 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-14-2023, 04:13 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-14-2023, 04:46 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by carp8dm - 09-14-2023, 04:51 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-14-2023, 05:18 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by carp8dm - 09-14-2023, 06:27 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-14-2023, 06:46 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by carp8dm - 09-14-2023, 06:36 PM
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RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Cleatwood - 09-14-2023, 07:19 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jaguarmeister - 09-14-2023, 07:33 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag88 - 09-14-2023, 06:44 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-14-2023, 06:53 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by OG-JAGFAN - 09-14-2023, 07:46 PM
RE: copycat - by Caldrac - 09-14-2023, 08:31 PM
RE: copycat - by ChrisJagBoy - 09-14-2023, 10:54 PM
copycat - by copycat - 09-15-2023, 05:57 AM
RE: copycat - by flsprtsgod - 09-15-2023, 08:40 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by JaguarJosh2 - 09-15-2023, 05:32 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by homebiscuit - 09-15-2023, 07:03 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by flgatorsandjags - 09-15-2023, 08:14 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-15-2023, 08:31 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by MarleyJag - 09-15-2023, 12:58 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by cat bells - 09-15-2023, 08:35 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by homebiscuit - 09-15-2023, 08:38 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-15-2023, 10:09 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Mikey - 09-15-2023, 12:54 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by cat bells - 09-15-2023, 08:44 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-15-2023, 10:32 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-15-2023, 10:39 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Cleatwood - 09-15-2023, 10:40 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-15-2023, 10:43 AM
homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 09-15-2023, 10:45 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Mikey - 09-15-2023, 12:59 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-15-2023, 10:45 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-15-2023, 10:48 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by NYC4jags - 09-15-2023, 11:29 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-15-2023, 11:40 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Mikey - 09-15-2023, 01:05 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-15-2023, 01:44 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by SamusAranX - 09-15-2023, 11:48 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-15-2023, 12:02 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by homebiscuit - 09-15-2023, 12:06 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Caldrac - 09-15-2023, 12:21 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Cleatwood - 09-15-2023, 02:58 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by mikesez - 09-15-2023, 03:38 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jag149 - 09-15-2023, 03:43 PM
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RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by ChrisJagBoy - 09-15-2023, 09:25 PM
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RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 09-15-2023, 06:21 PM
homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 09-15-2023, 06:35 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by RicoTx - 09-15-2023, 07:43 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Jagulars - 09-15-2023, 09:26 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by Cleatwood - 09-15-2023, 09:46 PM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by RicoTx - 09-16-2023, 09:26 AM
RE: Week 2 talk: KC vs Jax - by JagsFanSince95 - 09-16-2023, 10:50 AM
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